gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Mar 27, 2018 22:17:33 GMT
Tried reading the forum through google translate but good god it was not doing its job. My eyes hurt so bad from just looking at the butchered grammar it came up with. Congrats still to him for crushing it, I love seeing the Kriels repped.
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Mar 27, 2018 22:47:12 GMT
You do understand that there was probably a higher quality of play on the top tables than at Adepticon that weekend. German, French, Assumedly Dutch WTC players to name just what we know. I don't think you beat some of the best players in the world playing garbage. First of all, I seriously doubt that the Netherlands Masters was significantly superior quality to Adepticon. Adepticon was stacked with current and former US/Canada WTC members and a number of WMW perennials. To imply such would be pretty snobby and incorrect. Why is it snobbish and incorrect? You seem to be the one disregarding the result of the dutch masters as if it's some great player winning with whatever, because the field isn't strong enough. My point wasn't made to degrade the US meta, but more to point out how high the quality of play was at this event. Germany are literally the current world champions and the french teams finished 3rd and 4th, meanwhile the US teams and Tim Banky;s Canadian team didn't even make top 10, so yes I think it's fair to assume the dutch masters had higher quality of play on the top tables than Adepticon. That's no shame, very few tournaments world wide could be as stacked as that tournament.
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Post by josephkerr on Mar 27, 2018 22:56:22 GMT
First of all, I seriously doubt that the Netherlands Masters was significantly superior quality to Adepticon. Adepticon was stacked with current and former US/Canada WTC members and a number of WMW perennials. To imply such would be pretty snobby and incorrect. Why is it snobbish and incorrect? You seem to be the one disregarding the result of the dutch masters as if it's some great player winning with whatever, because the field isn't strong enough. My point wasn't made to degrade the US meta, but more to point out how high the quality of play was at this event. Germany are literally the current world champions and the french teams finished 3rd and 4th, meanwhile the US teams and Tim Banky;s Canadian team didn't even make top 10, so yes I think it's fair to assume the dutch masters had higher quality of play on the top tables than Adepticon. That's no shame, very few tournaments world wide could be as stacked as that tournament.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Mar 28, 2018 6:39:02 GMT
Germany are literally the current world champions and the french teams finished 3rd and 4th, meanwhile the US teams and Tim Banky;s Canadian team didn't even make top 10, so yes I think it's fair to assume the dutch masters had higher quality of play on the top tables than Adepticon. That's no shame, very few tournaments world wide could be as stacked as that tournament. To be fair, the French were represented by one person, and the Germans by about a dozen, but only a handful of those have been on the top 2 teams, and of Germany Loreley (the reigning champions) only Robin and Dominik were present. The top 10 are definitely great players, but I wouldn't say all of them outrank the rest of the world.
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Robbe
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Post by Robbe on Mar 28, 2018 6:55:24 GMT
Dominik, Robin and Alfredo more or less built their lists a few days before the event. They just thought it would be fun, if they all just bring trolls. You see it's 4 out of the top 7 played trollbloods.
the trollbloods players Robin beat came 3rd and 4th...
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joedj
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Post by joedj on Mar 28, 2018 7:30:48 GMT
Grim2 is great against other Trollblood armies. Mortality coupled with the relative lower DEF values of TB models vs ranged attacks means no Tough and fewer ranged attack misses. If a more than average number of TB armies were fielded, this is a good meta choice.
I'd be curious to see how this version of Grim2 (or most) would fare against Gaspy/Carapaced-Slayer spam and similar high ARM rich armies, something I see routinely in venue.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Mar 28, 2018 7:37:41 GMT
Grim2 is great against other Trollblood armies. Mortality coupled with the relative lower DEF values of TB models vs ranged attacks means no Tough and fewer ranged attack misses. If a more than average number of TB armies were fielded, this is a good meta choice. I'd be curious to see how this version of Grim2 (or most) would fare against Gaspy/Carapaced-Slayer spam and similar high ARM rich armies, something I see routinely in venue. I would assume against Gaspy that you just knock down one of the Slayers screening him and then shoot him. If he's behind terrain, that might be more difficult.
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Mar 28, 2018 7:54:58 GMT
Dominik, Robin and Alfredo more or less built their lists a few days before the event. They just thought it would be fun, if they all just bring trolls. You see it's 4 out of the top 7 played trollbloods. the trollbloods players Robin beat came 3rd and 4th... And Keith Christiansen won Las Vegas Open playing 1 list that he was testing and had 2 practice games with. Does that make his 9 slayers list any less good or degrade the quality of the LVO?
josephkerr I struggle to see your point? Does it degrade one Con if we say another has a higher level of play? Does it degrade the European Championships if I say the standard at the Olympics is better? No. You just look at the fields and say , oh fair enough. People get very touchy and about thinking everyone is out to offend them.
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Post by cayterpius on Mar 28, 2018 10:47:37 GMT
Moral of the story: the best list doesn't win, the best player does. It's a hard pill to swallow for those chasing net lists to magically get better. The only way is practice. Play more games, git gud.
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Post by deviantcad on Mar 28, 2018 12:02:55 GMT
It might be interesting if we could pull stats on home field advantage. See if player do worse when they have to travel say 8-12 hours, compared to when they have to travel less. Same for no travel vs travel. It would be interesting at least.
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jarrow
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Post by jarrow on Mar 28, 2018 12:30:12 GMT
Travel time certainly matter, as matters prizes, location, time of year and prize of beer. If you want to do your absolutely best, you take time to trival and not party night before. But question is if this game is that serious or not. Most players (at least in Europe) go tournaments to meet friends and have good time, so travel time matters less than number of beer's drinked.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Mar 28, 2018 13:06:19 GMT
Travel time certainly matter, as matters prizes, location, time of year and prize of beer. If you want to do your absolutely best, you take time to trival and not party night before. But question is if this game is that serious or not. Most players (at least in Europe) go tournaments to meet friends and have good time, so travel time matters less than number of beer's drinked. I can attest that there were many good (Belgian) beers present at reasonable prices.
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ravenfire
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Post by ravenfire on Mar 28, 2018 15:49:13 GMT
And most players are there in a b&b or cheap hotel the night begire.
So drinking is a issue, thavel not so much speaking from personal xp.
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ravenfire
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Post by ravenfire on Mar 28, 2018 15:52:24 GMT
Grim2 is great against other Trollblood armies. Mortality coupled with the relative lower DEF values of TB models vs ranged attacks means no Tough and fewer ranged attack misses. If a more than average number of TB armies were fielded, this is a good meta choice. I'd be curious to see how this version of Grim2 (or most) would fare against Gaspy/Carapaced-Slayer spam and similar high ARM rich armies, something I see routinely in venue. I would assume against Gaspy that you just knock down one of the Slayers screening him and then shoot him. If he's behind terrain, that might be more difficult. Did something similar with grim1. Mantrap a heavy, knocking down the hidden warcaster and then throwing the heavies into each other (my mauler was walking distance away) The 2 bombers did what they needed to do
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gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Mar 28, 2018 21:27:49 GMT
I would assume against Gaspy that you just knock down one of the Slayers screening him and then shoot him. If he's behind terrain, that might be more difficult. Did something similar with grim1. Mantrap a heavy, knocking down the hidden warcaster and then throwing the heavies into each other (my mauler was walking distance away) The 2 bombers did what they needed to do I love PoD grim for just this reason. You have Janyssa hill to give basically arcing fire to them so they're either close enough to Mantrap or far enough to ignore with the hill.
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