gordo
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Post by gordo on Mar 13, 2018 19:34:12 GMT
Toying with this list: War Room Army Legion of Everblight - thags2 Oracles Theme: Oracles of Annihilation 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Thagrosh, the Messiah - WB: +25 - Blightbringer - PC: 32 (Battlegroup Points Used: 25) - Typhon - PC: 20 - Seraph - PC: 14 - Naga Nightlurker - PC: 8 - Neraph - PC: 12 - Neraph - PC: 12 Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion - PC: 0 The Forsaken - PC: 0 The Forsaken - PC: 0 Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1 Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1 THEME: Oracles of Annihilation --- GENERATED : 03/13/2018 15:24:03 BUILD ID : 2061.18-02-21 At first I thought "I'm wasting the Blightbringer", but then I realized that even his concealemnt aura is useful in it. Defense 15/16 isn't trivial to hit (or at least it isn't SUPPOSED to be, thanks Cygnar), and if I really need to I can get Thagrosh2 up to 14/22+d3. The list has good versatility in that the Xaphs and Typhon can use it to either pay offense or run away. The Nagah gets prowl and running away if he wants, uses his animus to make the Blightbringer hurt at range. Late game I've got a beefy Thags2, Blightbringer, and Typhon to anchor things, none of whom are easy to ignore their return attacks. Also fully loaded Forsaken under the Str/Arm buff are no joke, which they will likely be by late game. Grievous Wounds are a problem. Aggravator on Typhon with Excessive Healing and Dragons Blood actually does something! Hooray! I'm finally not wasting my time casting it! But the ultimate dream for this list is to actually use the character bond on Typhon to do something useful on Thagrosh2. I figure with the amount of fire he might end up taking it could come into play.
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Mar 13, 2018 20:20:27 GMT
Thagrosh2 with Typhon's animus is nice, but I'm looking at getting a 14/24 Thagrosh with a Carnivean. Technically, you could get up to effectively 26 with Craelix.
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gordo
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Post by gordo on Mar 13, 2018 20:25:04 GMT
Thagrosh2 with Typhon's animus is nice, but I'm looking at getting a 14/24 Thagrosh with a Carnivean. I considered that to take the extra two points to get me some Spell Martyrs, but Thags2 should really be playing so far forward that he won't be using Scourge often unless already in range. The list already has so many ways to mitigate high defense anyway didn't seem to have point. Also, Typhon makes way more use of the Withering Ash aura than the Carnivean would.
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Post by josephkerr on Mar 13, 2018 20:38:22 GMT
The carnivean animus gets beat by Blessed where Typhons animus gets beat by Grievous Wounds. I think Typhons three sprays and 5 fury are better than worrying about Blessed vs Grievous unless ur meta loves them some Grievous.
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gordo
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Post by gordo on Mar 13, 2018 20:48:53 GMT
The carnivean animus gets beat by Blessed where Typhons animus gets beat by Grievous Wounds. I think Typhons three sprays and 5 fury are better than worrying about Blessed vs Grievous unless ur meta loves them some Grievous. I'm pretty sure there is also way more access to Blessed out there than Grievous Wounds (at least, at range, which is where I'm most concerned). Also, Typhon being faster is a big deal to me. He does lose Pathfinder, but with all the other terrain mitigation in the list I figure he can deal. And he's meatier and more accurate and regenerating and etc. Also his Sprays under Withering Ash should be brutal.
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gordo
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Post by gordo on Mar 13, 2018 20:54:41 GMT
Also there is nice synergy between Blood Spawn and Excessive Healing. Where Spiny Growth might stop the Shredder from spawning at all, Excessive Healing (and to a lesser degree Regeneration through Typhon) will help him trigger his free lesser more often and recover more easily once he has.
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Post by josephkerr on Mar 13, 2018 20:57:23 GMT
Toying with this list: War Room Army Legion of Everblight - thags2 Oracles Theme: Oracles of Annihilation 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Thagrosh, the Messiah - WB: +25 - Blightbringer - PC: 32 (Battlegroup Points Used: 25) - Typhon - PC: 20 - Seraph - PC: 14 - Naga Nightlurker - PC: 8 - Neraph - PC: 12 - Neraph - PC: 12 Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion - PC: 0 The Forsaken - PC: 0 The Forsaken - PC: 0 Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1 Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1 THEME: Oracles of Annihilation --- GENERATED : 03/13/2018 15:24:03 BUILD ID : 2061.18-02-21 At first I thought "I'm wasting the Blightbringer", but then I realized that even his concealemnt aura is useful in it. Defense 15/16 isn't trivial to hit (or at least it isn't SUPPOSED to be, thanks Cygnar), and if I really need to I can get Thagrosh2 up to 14/22+d3. The list has good versatility in that the Xaphs and Typhon can use it to either pay offense or run away. The Nagah gets prowl and running away if he wants, uses his animus to make the Blightbringer hurt at range. Late game I've got a beefy Thags2, Blightbringer, and Typhon to anchor things, none of whom are easy to ignore their return attacks. Also fully loaded Forsaken under the Str/Arm buff are no joke, which they will likely be by late game. Grievous Wounds are a problem. Aggravator on Typhon with Excessive Healing and Dragons Blood actually does something! Hooray! I'm finally not wasting my time casting it! But the ultimate dream for this list is to actually use the character bond on Typhon to do something useful on Thagrosh2. I figure with the amount of fire he might end up taking it could come into play. I love this list but would swap 1 Shepherd for 1 Spell Martyr. Having a back pocket Scourge threat will win u a game or two that the Shepherd doesnt.
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Mar 13, 2018 21:03:44 GMT
Thagrosh2 with Typhon's animus is nice, but I'm looking at getting a 14/24 Thagrosh with a Carnivean. I considered that to take the extra two points to get me some Spell Martyrs, but Thags2 should really be playing so far forward that he won't be using Scourge often unless already in range. The list already has so many ways to mitigate high defense anyway didn't seem to have point. Also, Typhon makes way more use of the Withering Ash aura than the Carnivean would. This is true.
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Mar 14, 2018 0:01:30 GMT
Very happy with Typhon. It was unfortunate to be leaving him out of lists due to the sheer cost efficiency difference, but now he's great. I'd argue he's possibly too good to be 20 points, but I feel this is balanced off a bit by Thagrosh being the only caster who can take him in theme. He can afford to be a bit too compelling. Unfortunate consequence of all this is that scytheans have been dropped from all my Thagrosh lists to make room for Typhon, laving the scythean pretty much gone entirely, but oh well. I never really liked the scythean much anyways. Thagrosh2 with Typhon's animus is nice, but I'm looking at getting a 14/24 Thagrosh with a Carnivean. Technically, you could get up to effectively 26 with Craelix. Only if you drop out of theme though.
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Post by josephkerr on Mar 14, 2018 3:07:57 GMT
I love the Hellmouth nerf. Honestly, running its tentacles "out of formation" never made sense (what, did they break off the maw and squiggle out there on their own?). Considering the many nerf suggestions for the Hellmouth, this feels the best, removing a lot of bad interactions while maintaining its core identity.
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Post by Hjard on Mar 14, 2018 6:46:32 GMT
I love the Hellmouth nerf. Honestly, running its tentacles "out of formation" never made sense (what, did they break off the maw and squiggle out there on their own?). Considering the many nerf suggestions for the Hellmouth, this feels the best, removing a lot of bad interactions while maintaining its core identity. It's the nerf everyone* wanted without actually being a nerf. Sure, it cut's some uses but just those weird ones, where you wondered how that would work anyway. For the things it can and is supposed to do (stand around and block scenario pieces) nothing changed, so I like that "solution" *at least those still stupid enough to fall for the Hellmouth and then think it's OP crap
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Post by gobber on Mar 14, 2018 6:47:57 GMT
I also quite appreciate the fluffy new interaction letting you "rip off" tentacles by yanking them out of control range with TK/slams/etc
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Hjard
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Post by Hjard on Mar 14, 2018 7:04:32 GMT
I also quite appreciate the fluffy new interaction letting you "rip off" tentacles by yanking them out of control range with TK/slams/etc Classic Nintendo anti-squid tactics! [edit]Let's just hope that the next update does not contain a new "ability" from Shredders: "A model with jump can be placed directly on this model. This model is immediately destroyed when another model completely overlaps it's base"
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Post by apoc2148 on Mar 14, 2018 13:34:28 GMT
Really excited for all the changes that went through! I've always really liked pAby (she was one of the first casters I used regularly) and I'm chomping at the bit to get her back on the table with all the new lower point cost heavies. Typhon dropping in points was a shocker, but I'm a fan. The hellmouth change just makes sense to me. Time to go back into the think-tank and rework all my lists.
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Mar 14, 2018 15:57:21 GMT
Only if you drop out of theme though. It may come as a surprise to you that out of theme does, in fact, exist.
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