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Post by bane on Jan 5, 2018 9:58:57 GMT
Hi could somebody please clear this up for us?
If I am playing as the witch coven can I cast occultation on all 3 witches or just one?
It doesn't state that it's a warcaster unit so I was prevented from doing this on them all which I think is wrong.
I know I can use black mantle at the start but later in the game it's better to put it on them, but now I'm being told they are 3 separate casters so only one gets it?!?! Grrrr!
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jan 5, 2018 10:10:52 GMT
They are not a unit as they all activate individually, so Occultation will only affect the one witch it is cast on
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Post by tiberius on Jan 5, 2018 11:46:07 GMT
Correct, they are considered 1 warcaster for field allowance purposes but consists of a group of 4 solos (including Egregore) and they activate as solos. While that does have some limitations as you pointed out, it has much stronger effects with the ability to cycle upkeeps, avoid order of activation issues, etc. As you can activate your "warcaster" multiple times in a round and have that specific witch do different things. You can only use the feat once, FYI.
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juckto
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Post by juckto on Jan 6, 2018 0:40:13 GMT
The witches are not solos.
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Post by bane on Jan 6, 2018 8:31:48 GMT
The witches are not solos. Now I'm confused, there not a unit, there not solos. I took it that I couldn't cast occultation on them all but as they were solos I could move each witch in separate activations but now I'm told there not solos either! So what are they ?? |
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t3hrogg
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Post by t3hrogg on Jan 6, 2018 9:22:03 GMT
Helena, Morigan, and Selene are all warcasters. The egg is a solo.
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Grimolf
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Post by Grimolf on Jan 6, 2018 18:06:17 GMT
The witches are not solos. Now I'm confused, there not a unit, there not solos. I took it that I couldn't cast occultation on them all but as they were solos I could move each witch in separate activations but now I'm told there not solos either! So what are they ?? They are not a warcaster unit. The witches are each individual warcasters and activate separately (like a solo, but not solos since they are warcasters). As a result, you can put Occultation on only one of them at a time (perhaps the one you can’t get behind LOS blocking terrain, or keep safe with distance). Because they are individual warcasters they each activate separately, and each one can score different zones/flags in SR17 (e.g. one witch on an uncontested flag, one witch in an uncontested circle zone, one witch in an uncontested rectangular zone would get you 3 points). The Egregore is a solo. Solos can score flags, but not zones. |
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juckto
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Post by juckto on Jan 8, 2018 1:54:23 GMT
Each WARMACHINE combatant is represented on the tabletop by a highly detailed and dramatically posed miniature figurine referred to as a model. There are several basic model types: warcasters, warjacks, troopers, solos, and battle engines. Troopers, solos, and non–battle engine warcasters are warriors. Models are considered to be living unless otherwise noted.
Independent Models
Independent models are those that activate individually. Warcasters, warjacks, solos, and battle engines are independent models.
Warcasters
A warcaster is a tremendously powerful sorcerer, warpriest, or battle mage with the ability to control a group of warjacks telepathically. A warcaster is a deadly opponent highly skilled in both physical combat and spellcasting. A battlegroup includes a warcaster and the warjacks he controls.
During battle, a warcaster commands his battlegroup of warjacks in an effort to complete his objectives. A warcaster can use his focus points to enhance his combat abilities and cast spells, or he can assign them to individual warjacks to increase their fighting abilities. A warcaster can also channel spells through ’jacks equipped with arc nodes, effectively extending the range of his magical powers.
Warcasters are generally independent models, though some warcasters command their own units (see “Warcaster Units,” p. 70). A model with the model type “Warcaster” has many rules that are common to all warcasters and are not listed on the model’s stat card (see “Warcaster Special Rules,” p. 68). All warcasters are characters.
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Post by tiberius on Jan 8, 2018 12:53:59 GMT
Independent models, that's what I meant, sorry for the confusion with solos.
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Growl
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Post by Growl on Jan 10, 2018 1:18:07 GMT
Umm, just to clarify this for myself, if the Eggregore was disrupted by Eiryss, it wouldn't make a difference, since it doesn't get Focus on its own anyway? Spells would still be cast through it, because it's not an arc node? If Eiryss disrupted one of the witches, then the Eggregore would only get 6 Focus that turn? Would the witch that was disrupted still be able to use Focus?
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jan 10, 2018 8:46:34 GMT
Disruption counts as a "focus reduction effect" which the Egregore is never affected by. Disrupting a Witch does exactly nothing because they don't generate their own focus, the Egregore does based on how many Witches are alive.
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