Butcher 3 help

What’s their list?

What are you playing into him and how are you losing?

There will be people who can give you better advice than I, but this info will be helpful for anyone trying to help.

Here’s my list:

War Room Army

Trollblood - Kolgrimma SOTN

Theme: Storm of the North
3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army


Kolgrima Stonetruth, Winter Witch - WB: +28
- Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0
- Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15)
- Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13)
- Pyre Troll - PC: 8

Trollkin Champion Hero - PC: 0
Fell Caller Hero - PC: 5
Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North - PC: 0

Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9
- Northkin Elder - PC: 3
Northkin Bear Handler & Battle Bears - Bear Handler & 2 Battle Bears: 10
Northkin Bear Handler & Battle Bears - Bear Handler & 2 Battle Bears: 10
Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7
Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
- Skaldi Bonehammer - PC: 5


THEME: Storm of the North
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GENERATED : 12/10/2017 04:00:15
BUILD ID : 2055.17-11-21

And he was playing butcher 3 , ruin, some juggernauts, kazi assassins x 2, gun unit, sniper solo, (sp?) yuri the forest dude and two of the forest dude solos.

He took away tough roles on most of his kills either through that spell +2 mat and can’t make tough roles, or the assassins / snipers finishing my dudes off. With butcher being able to potentially threat 15-18 inches it was a tough fight.

I beat the list once and lost to it once but it’s a tough match up. Seeing what you guys would do against the basic butcher 3 list

Implacability And Cost2 flashing blade do make Butcher 3 a sad panda.

What gives you the most trouble in the list? Is it Butcher himself? The heavies shouldn’t be too much of an issue for you, and with kolgrimas super accurate sprays you can probably handle the kayazy. You really only need to kill 1 in each unit to turn gang off.

Blocking LoS is hard because of the pull. Making him -2 Mat is hard because he has reach. It would take a lot of work lining up all the positioning and threat range measurements.

My question is... how he can do 15-18" threat range?
What I am missing?
5" + 3" (charge) + 3" (vengence) + 2" energizer + 2" melee...

If you cloudwall then Butcher should never be able to charge. Don't make sttacks on the dogs unless you can kill Butcher that turn.
Straightaway you have reduced his threat by 6".

Butcher doesnt do very much to support his army, so if he does not get to contribute, you should win the attrition. The key to preventing him from contributing is to make sure that if he DOES contribute, you can threaten to kill him. The hard part for us is that his feat does prevent living models from charging him, and if you are close enough to walk and punch, he might be able to drag you in and kill you.

EBDTs and Bouncers are obviously great here, and Doomy 3 too. If you are really confident in your positioning, try and put some ranged damage on him early on. It will trigger vengeance though, so you better be sure what you are doing, but if you can shoot him in the face with a Bomber and do a couple of points it makes the follow up assassination WAY easier.

Tramples will ignore the feat, so if all else fails you can try to trample up to him and punch him. Managing this becomes way more likely if you can put some damage on him early, and preferably if you can knock him down. Same goes for Rush. If you have Rush available you can spread your beasts out so that he can not drag all of them in, and if he goes for one, you should be able to walk up and kill him with the other. This means you do not have Rage up though, so it can be tough.

If you have a DEF skew caster with beasts (calandra, Madrak, Borka 1) you can make great use of whelps. If your beasts are effective DEF 15, he needs to roll 7s to hit, and then it starts taking a lot of attacks to kill them. He can still do it, but the follow up assassination becomes easier if he isnt camping.