Is baldr 2 lame now?

If you want competitive and easy to pilot try bones with two Woldwraths.

@demnic I played the Baldur 2 double wrath build, With the Bones deployment benefit, the very powerful control AOE's and Arm 23 Woldwraths with lots of access to healing its not that hard to just plant a Wrath at the edge of a zone by turn 2 (you obviously run turn 1) My biggest issue was the awkwardness of 2 huge bases. But thats compensated for by those 2 huge bases utterly crushing what they touch with free charges and Pow 19. Heck that was before the strength buff from the shaper. Sentry stones also really really help with un-jamming and zone control. Still the best unit in the entire circle faction IMO. Its not that hard to win with baldur 2, just takes a lot of patience and practice.

I have turned away from him because I've been using him Literally ALL of Mark 3. I took a break after taking him in a double wrath build to NOVA because it was just getting boring playing the same game over and over again. (SO MUCH FLIPPING HALEY 2....UGGGHHHH)

Before I ran double wrath (back when bones had first dropped) I ran an all heavies list with a decent amount of success. With the new Wold and Bones Cid changes. I think its stock just went up.

Baldur2: BoO
-Megs
-2 Wardens
-2 Guardians
2 Shapers
2 Wayfarers
2 Sentry Stones
2 Shifting Stones
Hutchuck.

You can always switch things around and add in a woldwatcher or 2. But I typically like to either camp 2 with baldur or place a rock wall meaning I can only really afford to put roots on 2 models. Megs and the 2 wardens do it themselves. You have lots of access to crevasse and using manikins as targets can get around cloudwalls, stealth, arcane vortex, and other such nonsense.

I think he can be bland for a lot of players because he plays like a Troll caster. Bricks up, buffs a specific aspect of his army, and grinds for turn after turn. I normally play death-clock with him, or almost every game will go to turn 7.

If you want something that is easy to pilot but very competitive as a hard counter to most gunlines, play baldur 2. Believe it or not he has a lot of variety in list builds so make whatever you think is best!

That's where manikins can become super useful. It is a guaranteed spray if you hit! If you can spray with the manikin to its like bonus points

Gallows groves also help with tough. It takes a lot of work and positioning practice. But it does come in handy. 

Grymlin swarms are also excellent contesting pieces so if you have the points I would consider one of those. 

it really depends. Do you need the arc node, the contesting piece and the fog cloud? A grove is excellent on a baldur 2 feat turn when you want to use fury. Your list does not really need a gallows grove in it but it has its uses.

I just really like the gymlin swarm. He is so darn hard for other factions to remove and can just toe a zone and be annoying for an entire game. Him and an extra source of healing or enrage could be great in your list. 

I think youll have to figure that one out yourself based on preference. I would probably start with the grymlin swarm and shaper combo and then work to the triad of 2 point options if you feel the list needs the arc node and cloud. 

Def 14 is irrelevant when Boosted shooting happens. Still think the guest is great but he is easier to remove. He should probly gain prowl honestly.

It’s honestly the Stealth that’s puts it in this place of contesting gold. Your opponent needs magical stealth ignoring weapons. Honestly denying the ability for an opponent to easily remove a 3 Point piece at range has just been so good. They normally invest way more to kill a grymlin swarm than they should probably have to. It also has 5 boxes which is another awesome factor to consider.