So... How do you think the CID turned out?

But sadly not in ours...
I dont know how to feel about them, I've been doing numbers: against a 13/17 jack the whole unit does 6.5 damage on average; 6.6 to 12/18; 5.6 to 11/19; and 4 to 10/20.
If you add parasite the damages goes to 12.5 14.6 14.5 and 13 respectively.
If you add a -2/-2 debuff damage goes to: 18 16.8 14.3 and 11.
So... even with an expensive debuff a 15 point unit only destroys 2/3 of a jack at most.

Against heavy cavalry (12/19) the whole unit does 4.5 damage... they cant even kill one guy. With a -2/-2 it goes to 13, so at least there you can kill 2 and leave another one with 2 or 3 boxes... or leave everyone with 2 or 3 boxes but unable to charge. So they might get their points back here.

Maybe the best use for them is to go against heavy infantry, but that doesnt come up very often, exept in devours host... and even then youll probabably need a -2/-2 debuff.

Against infantry they cant hit a thing (against def 12 the hit 58% of times, 42% against 13 and 28% against 14).. and even then they are in a theme that has no trouble against infantry so... provided the enemy scatters the troops then they will keep on not doing that much.

The cloud wall is also unreliable being spd 6 with no ad, but at least there is that.

Had they been aoe 4 pow 13 and no healing (as they were announced) I think they wouldve been much better.

So, not saying they are unplayable but I find very hard seeing how they are a so over the top unit

It was never really about damage. AOE charge denial scattered along the front lines or, as you pointed out, a cavalry unit severely decreases retaliatory abilities, and gunks up the field with models that cant run and might end up having to block their own charge lanes. These things would be near mandatory in...they'd probably come in as a second type of deliverer so FM...in Menoth just to blunt the alphas, since we take those almost every game.

You know that they need to directly hit to deny charges, right? And that they only deny charges to the models in the 3" AoE (so, most likely 1, that might've died from the POW 13 already) and doesn't deny giving the order?
Or, if you're talking about the clouds, the unit itself is rather slow and we've had the option for cloud walls since the beginning of MK3. It's nice in some situations, but usually Cryx plays more aggressively than that.

I think the boarding party and ironmongers are the serious Ogrun. The smog belchers were insane under their original rules but now I look at them as a little meh- I don't need that stuff, though they are solid.

I just hope we don't have satyxis getting friggin take down. Non-ghost fleet recursion is suffering quite enough.