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Post by davycannonhound on Nov 13, 2017 1:19:47 GMT
Hey there Cryxians. Legion player here. I often times find myself looking at other faction's stuff and saying "wow thats cool", or "man thats really good!" then looking at my faction's "version" (if you will) and saying ew. I often times nitpick things too, and talk about how bad stuff is etc. etc. However, I got to thinking... There's a saying that the grass is always greener on the other side. More than likely (not all of the time, but probably a lot), I'm looking at tools other people have, wishing I had access to them, and taking for granted things that my faction has that other people may not have.
So, I've decided to get an outside perspective from other players of different factions. What do y'all, as cryx players, see in Legion's stable of pieces that make you think "hey I wish I had that"?
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Post by Deller on Nov 13, 2017 4:15:34 GMT
Kallus1, even though Legion doesn’t have Cryx infantry, this guy just looks amazing, especially with the CID unyielding buff. Like, I know everyone is constantly poo pooing Legionaries but Max Legionaries with UA under Kallus1 just seem like one of the most annoying scenario units ever. Mini feat up to 12/20 Unyielding/Vengence on run up turn & the turn after when they crash into enemy lines Kallus Feats so when they die they turn into Incubi. Like I get they don’t hit very hard outside of CMAs, but they’re fairly good at infantry clearing with 2” reach & Vengeance at Mat 6 Dark Guidence.
I get he’s drastically different from what Legion normally does, but from the perspective of someone who loves his infantry lists, this guy just looks completely busted, and it constantly baffles be how little play he sees.
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Post by davycannonhound on Nov 13, 2017 6:29:01 GMT
Kallus1, even though Legion doesn’t have Cryx infantry, this guy just looks amazing, especially with the CID unyielding buff. Like, I know everyone is constantly poo pooing Legionaries but Max Legionaries with UA under Kallus1 just seem like one of the most annoying scenario units ever. Mini feat up to 12/20 Unyielding/Vengence on run up turn & the turn after when they crash into enemy lines Kallus Feats so when they die they turn into Incubi. Like I get they don’t hit very hard outside of CMAs, but they’re fairly good at infantry clearing with 2” reach & Vengeance at Mat 6 Dark Guidence. I get he’s drastically different from what Legion normally does, but from the perspective of someone who loves his infantry lists, this guy just looks completely busted, and it constantly baffles be how little play he sees. I definitely could see how Kallus would be good with Cryx. Unfortunately, I've tried Legionnaires with Kallus, and even at 12/20 they're still extremely fragile. Ignite puts them up to pow 12 which is decent, but they still really just want CMA anyway... The main problem is they're way overpriced, especially the UA.
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Post by Deller on Nov 13, 2017 9:07:18 GMT
Kallus1, even though Legion doesn’t have Cryx infantry, this guy just looks amazing, especially with the CID unyielding buff. Like, I know everyone is constantly poo pooing Legionaries but Max Legionaries with UA under Kallus1 just seem like one of the most annoying scenario units ever. Mini feat up to 12/20 Unyielding/Vengence on run up turn & the turn after when they crash into enemy lines Kallus Feats so when they die they turn into Incubi. Like I get they don’t hit very hard outside of CMAs, but they’re fairly good at infantry clearing with 2” reach & Vengeance at Mat 6 Dark Guidence. I get he’s drastically different from what Legion normally does, but from the perspective of someone who loves his infantry lists, this guy just looks completely busted, and it constantly baffles be how little play he sees. I definitely could see how Kallus would be good with Cryx. Unfortunately, I've tried Legionnaires with Kallus, and even at 12/20 they're still extremely fragile. Ignite puts them up to pow 12 which is decent, but they still really just want CMA anyway... The main problem is they're way overpriced, especially the UA. I mean, in Cryx I payed around 20 points for scenario throwaway units all the time. I've paid 19 points for satyxis raiders for the sole purpose of running into a zone & being annoying. The Legionaries are the roadblock that you just throw into the zone without caring what happens to them, and the Swordsmen follow behind killing whatever plows down the Legionaires. Thanks to Kallus's feat whatever does eventually kill them will leave behind Incubi. Like, Legion has a lot of good melee infantry options. Swordsmen, Blightblades, Grotesques are all really good with Dark Guidance + Ignite, and his feat is just so good. Like I would play a Cryx caster that feat regardless of how bad their spell card is, but he has two amazing spells on top of it and an Unyielding bubble. If I played Legion he'd be one of my two casters 100%
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Post by darkshroud on Nov 13, 2017 11:53:25 GMT
strider deathstalkers. hell mouth hex hunters
i wish we had character jacks that were worth taking like a lot of hordes factions do, it seems. most of the time nightmare and death jack are shelved. i havent seen canker worm outside of my lists in literally forever. bathroom use to be a thing. then theme forces happened. erebus and malice dont make appearances. kinda frustrating.
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Post by tiberius on Nov 13, 2017 12:07:09 GMT
I am really jealous of the battle engine. And my Terminus is really jealous of the archangel's wings.
On a more serious note, what I would love to get my hands on is the blighted nyss sorcerer and the hellion with her wind ravager action. Shutting down all ranged attacks in a large area effect is super powerful. And the thing is not trivial to remove, is super mobile and can bring some flying beast fury efficiency.
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Post by davycannonhound on Nov 13, 2017 15:26:14 GMT
I definitely could see how Kallus would be good with Cryx. Unfortunately, I've tried Legionnaires with Kallus, and even at 12/20 they're still extremely fragile. Ignite puts them up to pow 12 which is decent, but they still really just want CMA anyway... The main problem is they're way overpriced, especially the UA. I mean, in Cryx I payed around 20 points for scenario throwaway units all the time. I've paid 19 points for satyxis raiders for the sole purpose of running into a zone & being annoying. The Legionaries are the roadblock that you just throw into the zone without caring what happens to them, and the Swordsmen follow behind killing whatever plows down the Legionaires. Thanks to Kallus's feat whatever does eventually kill them will leave behind Incubi. Like, Legion has a lot of good melee infantry options. Swordsmen, Blightblades, Grotesques are all really good with Dark Guidance + Ignite, and his feat is just so good. Like I would play a Cryx caster that feat regardless of how bad their spell card is, but he has two amazing spells on top of it and an Unyielding bubble. If I played Legion he'd be one of my two casters 100% Haha wow! Such a different perspective. Its crazy, honestly. I cant even dream of using a 20 pt. unit as a throw away. Onto Kallus, if your opponent has non-attack damage to throw out, your feat will be completely neutered. Kinda corner case, but at the same time very frustrating.
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Post by davycannonhound on Nov 13, 2017 15:28:05 GMT
strider deathstalkers. hell mouth hex hunters i wish we had character jacks that were worth taking like a lot of hordes factions do, it seems. most of the time nightmare and death jack are shelved. i havent seen canker worm outside of my lists in literally forever. bathroom use to be a thing. then theme forces happened. erebus and malice dont make appearances. kinda frustrating. I think the only reason you see our characters is Typhon is good enough to be played out of theme, and Zuriel and Azreal are allowed in a theme.
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Post by darkshroud on Nov 13, 2017 15:44:24 GMT
I think the only reason you see our characters is Typhon is good enough to be played out of theme, and Zuriel and Azreal are allowed in a theme. sounds like us, and the only theme that lets people take them has been perceived as super meh
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Post by davycannonhound on Nov 13, 2017 16:07:10 GMT
I think the only reason you see our characters is Typhon is good enough to be played out of theme, and Zuriel and Azreal are allowed in a theme. sounds like us, and the only theme that lets people take them has been perceived as super meh Its like looking in a mirror haha
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Post by Deller on Nov 14, 2017 4:14:06 GMT
I mean, in Cryx I payed around 20 points for scenario throwaway units all the time. I've paid 19 points for satyxis raiders for the sole purpose of running into a zone & being annoying. The Legionaries are the roadblock that you just throw into the zone without caring what happens to them, and the Swordsmen follow behind killing whatever plows down the Legionaires. Thanks to Kallus's feat whatever does eventually kill them will leave behind Incubi. Like, Legion has a lot of good melee infantry options. Swordsmen, Blightblades, Grotesques are all really good with Dark Guidance + Ignite, and his feat is just so good. Like I would play a Cryx caster that feat regardless of how bad their spell card is, but he has two amazing spells on top of it and an Unyielding bubble. If I played Legion he'd be one of my two casters 100% Haha wow! Such a different perspective. Its crazy, honestly. I cant even dream of using a 20 pt. unit as a throw away. Onto Kallus, if your opponent has non-attack damage to throw out, your feat will be completely neutered. Kinda corner case, but at the same time very frustrating. It’s the Cryxian way, the only model that matters is your Warcaster. Everything else is expendable if it means achieving victory.
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Post by sircas on Nov 15, 2017 13:50:11 GMT
The hellion sorceress and the hellmouth are probably the two biggest things I face and say wow those are amazing for their cost. The other one is the guard dog beast which, while expensive, shuts down an insanely large number of assasination runs.
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Post by izrian on Nov 15, 2017 21:29:50 GMT
I am really jealous of the battle engine. And my Terminus is really jealous of the archangel's wings. On a more serious note, what I would love to get my hands on is the blighted nyss sorcerer and the hellion with her wind ravager action. Shutting down all ranged attacks in a large area effect is super powerful. And the thing is not trivial to remove, is super mobile and can bring some flying beast fury efficiency. Howdy guys! Another legion player find his way to the cryx forums. In regards to the battle engine, it is AMAZINGLY awesome espically with the reduced point cost and release on ice witches with black frost shard, station up to 4 targets a turn, and the hex hunters shutting things down. Shoot I'm looking into running Oracle's with more infantry than beasts for once. Think it has serious potential. Could possibly be a real boogie list for some factions.
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Post by Blargaliscious on Nov 16, 2017 4:50:56 GMT
Haha wow! Such a different perspective. Its crazy, honestly. I cant even dream of using a 20 pt. unit as a throw away. Onto Kallus, if your opponent has non-attack damage to throw out, your feat will be completely neutered. Kinda corner case, but at the same time very frustrating. It’s the Cryxian way, the only model that matters is your Warcaster. Everything else is expendable if it means achieving victory. (sniffle) That was beautiful, because it's not just a Cryx thing. (sniffle) (Hi davycannonhound I followed you over here from the Khador forum!) I use Doom Reavers as throw-away units. Throw a unit or two on a flank and let them distract the crap out of the other guy. While he's busy worrying about the berserk swordsmen my center and other flank are pulling off the victory. And whenever I run Sorscha1 in assassin mode I consider the whole army to be ablative armor to getting her into melee to kill the other caster.
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Post by davycannonhound on Nov 16, 2017 5:11:43 GMT
It’s the Cryxian way, the only model that matters is your Warcaster. Everything else is expendable if it means achieving victory. (sniffle) That was beautiful, because it's not just a Cryx thing. (sniffle) (Hi davycannonhound I followed you over here from the Khador forum!) I use Doom Reavers as throw-away units. Throw a unit or two on a flank and let them distract the crap out of the other guy. While he's busy worrying about the berserk swordsmen my center and other flank are pulling off the victory. And whenever I run Sorscha1 in assassin mode I consider the whole army to be ablative armor to getting her into melee to kill the other caster. Hello! I've got posts in every faction haha.
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