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Rasheth
Mar 30, 2017 2:51:06 GMT
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Post by perkyantihero on Mar 30, 2017 2:51:06 GMT
Alright guys, Im having some serious difficulty building for Rasheth. Ive been trying
Rasheth Bronzeback Titan Sentry Gladiator Max immortals +ua Min nihilators Hakaar 1 ancestral guardian Min beast handlers and blood runners.
Basically i took 3/5 of the beasts from my zaadesh list and added infantry to use rasheths abilities, I know that Rasheth is supposed to be a strong caster, so can somebody shed some light on whatever it is that makes him good that I'm not seeing?Thanks in advance.
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regleant
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Post by regleant on Mar 30, 2017 3:33:04 GMT
It partly depends on what you're trying to play into and what you're actually facing. Generally, Rasheth is a very versatile caster with many options. Some thoughts based on your list:
- Rasheth loves his guns, and his feat benefits a gunline a lot. You aren't taking advantage of this. But that's okay, because... - Rasheth loves titan spam. This is slower, but usually durable, and the damage output is insane. They need a delivery-mechanism though, which you also don't really have... - I love the Constructs, but think they shine better with other casters, like the Zaals. They are also the slowest things in your list, when Rasheth needs infantry jamming to safely deliver the heavy hitters. - If you are up against gunlines, a Krea is helpful. - If you are up against melee-based armies (hello Karchev!), then the Agonizer is awesome.
So personally, drop the constructs (Immortals, Hakaar, Ancestral), max out the Nihilators, add another Titan of choice, add Krea / Agonizer, and max out the Beast Handlers. I don't have War Room open at the moment but that should come close, or even give you a few more points for a solo like the Extoller Soulward. Also not knowing what you have, it's difficult to give more thoughts -- the last thing I want to do is make someone buy more models.
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Rasheth
Mar 30, 2017 8:52:42 GMT
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Post by perkyantihero on Mar 30, 2017 8:52:42 GMT
Regleant, thanks for the input. As far as guns go, i have the cataphracts incindari and arcuari, but their guns are somewhat lacking. Outside of this list, and my casters, i have a hydra, razorworm, the ferox with rhadiem, an aradus soldier tiberion and Marketh. My collection is still pretty small. Ill go ahead and proxy some of the gun options, so that I can try them out before i commit to buying something new. Are the slingmen or reivers the better option? Thanks again.
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regleant
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Post by regleant on Mar 30, 2017 9:20:13 GMT
So again, the 'better' option depends on what you commonly face and you didn't say how you're losing games. I'll assume we're just building a general all-comers for now. Reivers + UA give you some great long-range high-power high-accurate shooting. They die if you look at them funny, but nonetheless.., it's worth proxying to see if you enjoy them. Hydra! Oh he's a lot of fun, you should find a way to put him in. Its animus adds additional urgency for your opponent to avoid using guns and engage the lines. Honestly, I'm crazy and would start with Hydra, Gladiator, Agonizer, Ferox, Rhadheim, Reivers + UA, Willbreaker ... that gives you protection as you advance forward, and a very long threat range on feat turn. If you don't own a Willbreaker, he is one I do recommend purchasing. Puppet Master on your own models is worth the 4 points when needed. Giving Tough to your tar pit / jamming unit often buys you more time. Tough on Ferox who have Steady is hilarious. And when absolutely needed, don't forget that he can be used to force Warbeasts that have fallen beyond your Warlock's range. It doesn't come of often, but can be game-winning when it does. Indendiari are great if you are up against infantry spam, such as some Cygnar / Mercs / Cryx / Skorne / Protectorate. They don't need to do damage, just put things on fire and let them die in the maintenance phase. Enemy warlocks hate being on fire! But Incendiari hate being shot at. I love the concept of Accurri, but I haven't been able to playtest them. They do seem difficult to use well and a little niche. Tiberion is pretty awesome. Expensive, but he is a great piece against board-manipulation casters (Haley2, Krueger2) and his damage output is high. Overall, I don't think you're in a bad place with your collection and Rasheth is an easier one to learn with. He comes with Blood Mark to break armor, Breath of Corruption to help against infantry, Carnivore to improve your hitting, and Castigate to stop arc nodes and enemy animi. The others are a little more niche but useful. His feat + Blood Mark is a 4-pt swing on enemy ARM. With the Agonizer, you also force a 4-pt swing on enemy STR. And practice. Play the same list at least 2-3 times (most people would say 5 times) and talk with your opponent afterward to see the game from their perspective. They may have ideas on what they were scared of you doing. See what pieces you like the feel of, which don't click, and adjust accordingly. For me, as much as I recommend the Reivers and how they are generally top-notch, I personally such with any ranged unit. I'm actually looking to run Titan spam with 5 titans this weekend. I don't know if it'd be competitive, but should be fun.
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Post by granor on Mar 30, 2017 13:50:46 GMT
If you are building out your collection and proxying a ranged list anyway. I would look at proxying the dakars and running winds of death with him. I can really see this theme becoming a staple for skorne parings (maybe not run by rasheth but still).
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Rasheth
Apr 1, 2017 18:51:51 GMT
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Post by skormedlover87 on Apr 1, 2017 18:51:51 GMT
What are you trying to do with your Rasheth list? He's not fast and he benefits from a very strong infantry screen but after that you're wide open on options.
Personally I would look at proxying a unit of Karax and a Cannoneer or 2. Keep the Bloodrunners, maybe add a Master Tormentor or a Willbreaker. Definitely an Extoller.
Reivers are also a great option, just not one I'm interested in until the Dakar drops.
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Post by fragpalm on Apr 3, 2017 14:30:17 GMT
I'm thinking of going tanky lately, and Rasheth seems up to the task.
I used to run him in Mark 2 as a brick with a lot of success. This list is actually similar to my old list, and should perform similarly:
Rasheth Agonizer Gladiator Sentry Sentry Mammoth
Bloodrunners Handlers (min)
The absence of a Soulward irritates me, but I'm going for maximum tankiness here. Besides, drifting AOEs into stealthed solos, and Rasheth blasting incorporeal models from across the board helps somewhat. I've considered swapping the Bloodrunners for another min unit of Handlers and a Soulward; the Handlers would be more for Dark Ritual targets, running up when needed. I just find Bloodrunners supremely effective Dark Ritual nodes. Cheap, apparition, stealth, pathfinder, swift, everything he would ever need to land his spells.
Threatening 11" on a charge with most of my beasts makes me grit my teeth when coming from Xerxis2, but I think it's typically okay. Spot removal comes from the Mammoth, Rasheth, and even the Repositioning Bloodrunners, and jam is mitigated by Bulldoze somewhat.
I'm not sure if a non-gunline is the most competitive thing to do with Rasheth in Mark 3, but I'm willing to test it out. I do know that armour hits a certain bell curve vs heavies around 21-22. Buy or Boost apparently thinks my Mammoth is virtually invincible at armour 24 (Agonizer + feat), even when attacked by several heavies under buffs like Signs and Portents. That's surprising and impressive.
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Post by perkyantihero on Apr 6, 2017 9:13:33 GMT
Thanks for the input so far, I've been swamped with classwork, so away from the game for the last week. To answer, What do I want from Rasheth? Because the two lists I have run for all of my Skorne experience have been a tanky Zaadesh list with blood runners and a herd of elephants, and a tanky Xerxes1 with the hydra and cetrati, I really want to do something with Rasheth that isn't form a defensive line. I kind of hoped I could get away with running my largely neglected small based infantry with him with his 4pt arm swing, but they pretty well consistently get shot to death before they can get anywhere, and the four point swing doesn't seem to be saving the pow 13 infantry after all of those losses. And yeah, at Arm 24+ things start getting pretty hard to kill.)
Since I'm considering the winds of death, and a mammoth, can the mammoth get the swift hunter from theme, since he's a colossal? I'm looking at a list to proxy this weekend, I'm thinking: Fragpalm,that list looks pretty solid, but Rasheth Aptimus Marketh (free) Mammoth Shaman Dakar Dakar Soulward Soulward Willbreaker Max Beast Handlers Max Reivers with UA Min Slingers Cannon Crew Cannon Crew (Free) (are these things any good in practice, they seem alright on paper to me, esp with Rasheth's debuffs.)
However, none of that is set in stone, because I only own Rasheth, Marketh, and the Beast Handlers, so I'm willing to hear out any suggestion.
I might try that crazy tiger cav list or something like it that Regleant suggested, since I have most of the pieces for that.
Fragpalm, I'm not sure where the bellcurve really kicks in, but I can say that I had a Hydra under Xerxes feat, Defenders Ward, and the Agonizer (Arm 25)face tank just about anything he wants to with a bit of luck. It gets obscene. Your list looks pretty solid in my, rather limited ability to assess such things. If you want the soulward, you might sacrifice one of your sentries and make him a cyclopse brute, and use the extra points for a soulward and...something
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Post by Ereshkigal on Apr 6, 2017 10:01:40 GMT
My Rasheth list, paired with a makeda2 doublecats list:
WINDS OF DEATH THEME: System: Hordes Faction: Skorne Caster: 1 / 1 Points: 75 / 75 Rasheth1 (Dominar Rasheth) -28 - Mammoth 38 - Titan Cannoneer 17 Paingiver Beast Handlers (Leader and 3) 5 Venator Reivers (Leader and 9) 15 - Venator Reiver Officer & Standard 4 Venators Slingers (Leader and 9) 13 Venator Dakar 4 Venator Dakar 4 Extoller Soulward 3 Flayer Cannon (free) Flayer Cannon (free)
It works very well on the table and pairs well with Zadeesh 2 (full beasts) and Makeda 2 (full cats). Can crack armor very well too. Remember that the Mammoth can't use swift hunter (but the cannoneer will). The wall in front of the mammoth is VERY strong, makes other colossals pretty sad if you position the mammoth more than 2 inches behind it, since a colossal can't overlap its base with the wall.
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Post by dessert hydra on May 3, 2017 13:58:03 GMT
I was thinking about a beast list for the Fat man... so how about:
Theme: Winds of Death 0 / 0 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Dominar Rasheth - WB: +28 - Titan Cannoneer - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Titan Cannoneer - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11) - Titan Gladiator - PC: 15 - Basilisk Drake - PC: 8 - Basilisk Krea - PC: 7 - Cyclops Shaman - PC: 8
Extoller Soulward - PC: 3 Mortitheurge Willbreaker - PC: 4 Mortitheurge Willbreaker - PC: 4
Paingiver Beast Handlers - Leader & 5 Grunts: 7 Venator Slingers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 13
THEME: Winds of Death
Though process behind the list is sit fat man behind his personal wall just out of KB. Potentially enough shooting to get a heavy off the board a turn if blood mark hits but thanks to the will breakers both the slingers get tough and fat man gets puppet master.
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