boozy
Junior Strategist
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Post by boozy on Nov 16, 2017 7:38:48 GMT
If there's a single stand-out trait about Circle infantry, it's that no warlock can make them truly hit hard or take one. The debuffs available are never more than -2ARM, and most of Circle infantry wears woad for armor. +2ARM doesn't even make Skinwalkers very surviveable.
If she is an infantry polisher, then what will make her standout from Grayle and Morvhana1 is a damage crank. Blood Lust or Fury (+1d6 or +3 STR I think??) would be great, and a feat that did an ARM debuff in control would mean she could make her infantry hurt true heavies on delivery, something unique in faction. You can get cute with things like Affliction, but there's no infantry as is that won't bounce off the full Certrati wall, or a 20+ ARM heavy.
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Post by elshinare on Nov 20, 2017 19:51:20 GMT
Nuala 2...compare The art to the current Nuala and it makes sense...especially since it is Nuala 1?
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Post by wolfchild on Nov 22, 2017 17:30:12 GMT
All characters in the game now have a number after their names, including character warbeasts. Don’t take too much inference from it. Are u assuming this is why they made Nuala1 virtually pointless in Mk3? .... because she was going to ‘level up’?
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Post by elshinare on Nov 22, 2017 18:57:16 GMT
All characters in the game now have a number after their names, including character warbeasts. Don’t take too much inference from it. Are u assuming this is why they made Nuala1 virtually pointless in Mk3? .... because she was going to ‘level up’? Honestly didn't even know she was a model, recently got into the game, but the artwork and the current model would make it a reasonable conclusion.
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Post by methios on Nov 22, 2017 20:08:54 GMT
No doubt in my mind we will be getting a blacklad CiD sometime in 2018. Honestly, I would not be surprised if we got a handful of new models just for the secret masters theme. 2018 feels REALLY optimistic, given that we're probably looking at Feb-March for our FIRST CID. First CID? We just got our new wolds. Which was quiet a good upgrade if you ask me. Cant have it all mate.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Nov 22, 2017 20:14:20 GMT
2018 feels REALLY optimistic, given that we're probably looking at Feb-March for our FIRST CID. First CID? We just got our new wolds. Which was quiet a good upgrade if you ask me. Cant have it all mate. The wolds were tacked on to the Christmas CID, and were very much NOT the focus. You might as well say that we've already had a protectorate CID. Really isn't too much to ask for pp to finish developing the edition within 2 years of releasing it.
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Post by wolfchild on Nov 23, 2017 14:43:16 GMT
War games companies never stop tweaking a game these days until the just before a new edition comes out. In the case of a few they keep tinkering up to the very last day of old ed. Most often the theory is sold as improving the game, but it’s slso an amazing sales tool; they are a business after all. The trick being to keep a kind of balance so it remains playable throughout, yet giving each faction and parts of factions nudges into or out of favour,thus driving sales for those previously less favoured/new models. Just think of the sales generated by making anything spam a ‘thing’. They get a boom of sales over and above a balanced choice, then when it gets nerfed and pushed toward a different theme / spam, folk with go and fill the new perceived gaps.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Nov 23, 2017 20:52:34 GMT
War games companies never stop tweaking a game these days until the just before a new edition comes out. In the case of a few they keep tinkering up to the very last day of old ed. Most often the theory is sold as improving the game, but it’s slso an amazing sales tool; they are a business after all. The trick being to keep a kind of balance so it remains playable throughout, yet giving each faction and parts of factions nudges into or out of favour,thus driving sales for those previously less favoured/new models. Just think of the sales generated by making anything spam a ‘thing’. They get a boom of sales over and above a balanced choice, then when it gets nerfed and pushed toward a different theme / spam, folk with go and fill the new perceived gaps. Tweaking the game is one thing, releasing a blatantly unfinished edition (Hordes in mk3) and then not making fixing that a priority after release is something else entirely.
I kind of feel like anyone buying into a massive spam deserves what they get, to a certain point - if a model is good enough to run 14 of, and the list itself is good enough to win tournaments, something probably needs to be changed (either comparable models in faction need to be buffed - ie circle griffons - of the model itself needs a nerf).
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Post by wolfchild on Nov 23, 2017 21:51:20 GMT
oncomingstorm I totally agree with u. But unfortunately marketing and sales always manage to win out over true balance and actually fixing the ‘broken’ parts
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Post by claptrap on Nov 28, 2017 19:08:06 GMT
First CID? We just got our new wolds. Which was quiet a good upgrade if you ask me. Cant have it all mate. The wolds were tacked on to the Christmas CID, and were very much NOT the focus. You might as well say that we've already had a protectorate CID. Really isn't too much to ask for pp to finish developing the edition within 2 years of releasing it. It's really more the outcome than if Circle was a main participant. I found the changes to the Wolds to be simple, elegant and useful. A couple of points here and there and the wolds all have different uses and are generally better.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Feb 14, 2018 13:52:42 GMT
*reaches into the spawning vessel and pulls this thread back out
I'm getting really curious about this "Iona". Seeing the trend with Anamag and Sorscha 3. Iona might gets super focused on Tharn models. I'm not saying I want to see a duplication of Anamag's ritual sacrifice. But what if that were to be the case? Do you want/need a highly focused caster for Tharn? Something that just pushes Tharn up the board with ease and then watch as they un-alive the enemy? I can't say I would be opposed.
Maybe a Zaal like mechanic that lets her pick where heart tokens go no matter which model is closest in CTRL? Maybe a Than leadership type ability that grants Death Rage (when the model is disable it makes a free move and attack). A really stupidly named spell, "Fury's Strength".
What do you think after seeing Sorscha 3? Any changes in thoughts?
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Post by jisidro on Feb 14, 2018 14:49:07 GMT
I think it's almost inevitable that it will be so... Just like it was for Siege2, Skarre3, Anamag and Sorscha3...
Anamag's Ritual Sacrifice ability is amazing and any caster would like to have it... Since she is a female tharn in the wake of the Night Witch I expect some sort of blood magic. Anything goes from blood boon to corpse gathering... Perhaps a threat increase ability not mirage... Ofc she may be tagged as living only warbeast controller and have spells/abilities that don't work on wolds. Which won't be an issue (it will for me.) because the Tharn theme restricts to livings beasts already (why?)...
Speaking for myself, I'd like changes to the Tharn themselves, we have a lot of casters that mesh will with them and just want/need some more muscle from them.
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Post by minmaximus on Feb 14, 2018 17:06:57 GMT
Someone who turns Tharn into super murdered would be pretty novel alongside Tharn buffs. In general Tharn haven't been that good like... ever really, excluding the bloodtrackers. Even just having Fury on their card would make them brutal as Circle really feels like its lacking a strong, infantry-focused warlock in the roster.
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Post by jisidro on Feb 15, 2018 9:44:36 GMT
Someone who turns Tharn into super murdered would be pretty novel alongside Tharn buffs. In general Tharn haven't been that good like... ever really, excluding the bloodtrackers. Even just having Fury on their card would make them brutal as Circle really feels like its lacking a strong, infantry-focused warlock in the roster. Problem is... We have at least 3... Morvahnna 1/2 and Grayle. Thing is, they aren't good enough.
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Post by kuririnad on Feb 15, 2018 11:48:59 GMT
I think that Kromac1 and both Morvanhas will be in the Tharn CID, as well as Iona. I think it will be quite a while until Grayle gets s look, though. I have to imagine that we get a blackclad CID to complete secret Masters before we get a wolfsworn CID.
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