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Post by pixh on Nov 4, 2017 15:40:41 GMT
Honestly I am not sure. When you use Warroom it allows you to use the full FA of the mercs/minions. It has been live for over a month now. It could be a bug in Warroom, if so then a forsaken will find its way into the list. alrighty, I've modified it for my own. I think Craelix is a satisfactory replacement for the Gremlin swarms. Still not sure how it's going to perform sans throne, but I think there's some decent scenario potential. Thoughts? conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0uaIg_cObfeKbubbbbbekacocobrbkbljxLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Children of the Dragon !!! Your army contains a pre-release entry. (Saeryn 1) Saeryn, Omen of Everblight [+28] - Azrael [21] - Nephilim Bloodseer [8] - Nephilim Bolt Thrower [11] - Zuriel [18] - Succubus [4] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [6] Craelix, Fang of Everblight [0(6)] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] Blackfrost Shard [9] Blighted Nyss Hex Hunters (max) [15] - Bayal, Hound of Everblight [0(6)] Ice Witches [7] Looks good. Azrael and Craelix should make up for the Throne and swarm in damage and senerio. The one thing I do see is without the Throne the list is not as flexible with it's magic attacks. Stationary 2 targets means no PM or kiss, the Throne allows the 2 targets or even a third to be locked down and allows the Kiss and PMs. Keeping it in CotD experiment with your list as is and as an alternative also try using a min unit of Hex Hunters and putting in a second unit of witches for the flexibility and get a comparison.
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Post by maximumhippo on Nov 4, 2017 18:56:27 GMT
it's Saeryn, Zuriel is more there to be an arc node and a late game piece. I'm definitely planning on trying the throne version, once I get a throne.... well, for the cost of Zuriel you get the Throne adn 2 Spell Martyrs I honestly find them a bit easier than Zuriel. With Zuriel, you always have to choose if you want to go in (but be unable to channel while engaged), stay just in range to channel (which usually puts him in threat range) or just stay safe and not arc. If you arc a blightbringer-the-spell or breath stealer this CAN make him safe... but it is always a risk in case you miss. well, if I want the throne, I'm going to need to lose Azreal, or drop out of theme I suppose. I've already got 2 spell martyrs as well, I can only have 3 total.... I'm gonna try some variables on this one.
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Post by josephkerr on Nov 4, 2017 19:34:41 GMT
Honestly I am not sure. When you use Warroom it allows you to use the full FA of the mercs/minions. It has been live for over a month now. It could be a bug in Warroom, if so then a forsaken will find its way into the list. alrighty, I've modified it for my own. I think Craelix is a satisfactory replacement for the Gremlin swarms. Still not sure how it's going to perform sans throne, but I think there's some decent scenario potential. Thoughts? conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0uaIg_cObfeKbubbbbbekacocobrbkbljxLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Children of the Dragon !!! Your army contains a pre-release entry. (Saeryn 1) Saeryn, Omen of Everblight [+28] - Azrael [21] - Nephilim Bloodseer [8] - Nephilim Bolt Thrower [11] - Zuriel [18] - Succubus [4] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [6] Craelix, Fang of Everblight [0(6)] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] Blackfrost Shard [9] Blighted Nyss Hex Hunters (max) [15] - Bayal, Hound of Everblight [0(6)] Ice Witches [7] I like this list a lot but would drop the sorceress on helion. Theres not a lot to free charge, and the auto point aoe is also less useful. 6 points is a lot. Id suggest replacing it with a bog trog mist speaker, another shepherd, and a final spell martyr. The magic weapons on ur battlegroup is powerful, and eyeless sight on saeryn lets her apply breathstealer through stealth and concealment. With puppet master, u can get away without boosting against def 12 or less which can (now) result in multiple units getting breathstealered with saved fury. Good luck looks fun. edit: I love zuriel with saeryn1. With Blizzard hes reasonably survivable at def 15 arrm 17 vs colossal guns, and he helps saeryn hardlock colossals. Stand at spr10 away then saeryn arcs blightbringer/breathstealer and camps 1. With a free upkeep of respawn on zuriel, she can keep many colossals from doing anything but unboosted shooting. Since its layering two spells against one target, the spell martyrs run out real quick.
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Post by josephkerr on Nov 4, 2017 19:58:01 GMT
This is my current Ice Witches list, Rhyas1 in Oracles: Rhyas1 Scythean Scythean Seraph *Succubus Throne of Everblight Hex Hunter MAX w/*Bayal Wrongeye and Snapjaw Ice Witches
The secret all stars are the Hex Hunters. With a round of Occultation to take the center of the board plus Apparition/Dash to threaten 12.5" on the charge, they become a problem for ur opponent real fast, and the rest of the list is counter-punch, often with a 12" threat.
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Post by haurukh on Nov 4, 2017 20:12:53 GMT
This is my current Ice Witches list, Rhyas1 in Oracles: Rhyas1 Scythean Scythean Seraph *Succubus Throne of Everblight Hex Hunter MAX w/*Bayal Wrongeye and Snapjaw Ice Witches The secret all stars are the Hex Hunters. With a round of Occultation to take the center of the board plus Apparition/Dash to threaten 12.5" on the charge, they become a problem for ur opponent real fast, and the rest of the list is counter-punch, often with a 12" threat. Looks pretty neat. I assume puppet master to ensure the feat teleportation attacks hit as intended? (+ one on Rhyas if she goes in of course). Ice cage is probably not needed thanks to shadow bind. Might be interesting to add a Bloodseer too, for one more slip stream or potential telemetry. Not sure what I would want to take out for it though... Maybe WE&SJ in case you believe you can out threat enough with 3 slip stream + dash?
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Post by josephkerr on Nov 4, 2017 20:40:55 GMT
This is my current Ice Witches list, Rhyas1 in Oracles: Rhyas1 Scythean Scythean Seraph *Succubus Throne of Everblight Hex Hunter MAX w/*Bayal Wrongeye and Snapjaw Ice Witches The secret all stars are the Hex Hunters. With a round of Occultation to take the center of the board plus Apparition/Dash to threaten 12.5" on the charge, they become a problem for ur opponent real fast, and the rest of the list is counter-punch, often with a 12" threat. Looks pretty neat. I assume puppet master to ensure the feat teleportation attacks hit as intended? (+ one on Rhyas if she goes in of course). Ice cage is probably not needed thanks to shadow bind. Might be interesting to add a Bloodseer too, for one more slip stream or potential telemetry. Not sure what I would want to take out for it though... Maybe WE&SJ in case you believe you can out threat enough with 3 slip stream + dash? I have a hard time playing Rhyas1 without WE&SJ. I crutch. In this list, a dead Throne often sets up an enemy heavy for a counter charge, and Snapjaw is the big hitter in list. Wrongeye is the money for keeping Rhyas alive, as with Sprint she can charge out of, then Sprint back into, Stacrossed, and Antiphon can cover a lot of charge lanes to Wrongeye. It takes some practice but its a more reliable DEF "buff" than the protector with a pow 18 heavy for 7 more points.
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Post by izrian on Nov 14, 2017 15:48:49 GMT
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Legion of Everblight - Rhyas 1, OoA
Theme: Oracles of Annihilation 2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Stockpile - Steamroller Objective
Rhyas, Sigil of Everblight - WB: +30 - Succubus - PC: 0 - Seraph - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14) - Zuriel - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 16) - Scythean - PC: 18
Throne of Everblight - PC: 16
Wrong Eye - Wrong Eye & Snapjaw: 17 - Snapjaw
Ice Witches - Leader & 2 Grunts: 7 Blighted Nyss Hex Hunters - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Bayal, Hound of Everblight - PC: 0
THEME: Oracles of Annihilation ---
GENERATED : 11/14/2017 08:37:39 BUILD ID : 2054.17-11-04
Ended up dropping this against mercenaries, Dom list spamming steel head halbeards and riflemen.
Zureial took the brunt of the attempted attacks with dodge up and WE&SJ kept my opponent busy for 2 full turns, used the hex hunters to jam under WR&SJ also. Kept his forces tied up for turns as well.
With puppet master up on scythe and Rhyas made an assassination run with Rhyas. Hit a mangler to start slapping Dom. Didn't manage to kill him though took away all but 1 focus. Forgot to take advantage of puppet master.
Slipstreamed scythe into position, charged, had rapport up on him walked up to objective slapped it, got within 2 of Dom. And holy crap, murderous with mat 8 was devastating.
Didn't need to take advantage of puppet master on him.
But I was pleased with the ice witches even though I forgot to really use them once and didn't need to 2nd spell after all.
If i were to do it agian I would have been more aggressive with the throne and kept puppet master up on it to guarantee kill spells.
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Post by haurukh on Nov 14, 2017 16:47:14 GMT
If i were to do it agian I would have been more aggressive with the throne and kept puppet master up on it to guarantee kill spells. I love the idea of puppet master on throne(s). They have such a high volume fo attacks that you are bound to miss one, even with good odds. And since it cannot boost, it is the easiest MAT fixer for attacking several infantry units.
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Post by izrian on Nov 14, 2017 17:41:24 GMT
If i were to do it agian I would have been more aggressive with the throne and kept puppet master up on it to guarantee kill spells. I love the idea of puppet master on throne(s). They have such a high volume fo attacks that you are bound to miss one, even with good odds. And since it cannot boost, it is the easiest MAT fixer for attacking several infantry units. I agree I'm thinking of picking up another throne. Just for this. However it becomes a point crunch on what to drop in order to rum another one. I have seriously considered running Bethayne like this. The hex hunters could get some serious work done under feat. With disintegrate would be not to bad aiding the thrones taking down heavy targets. Allowing them to hit effectively at pow 18, kiss makes them pow 20. But still dropping this list into heavy armor skew would make me nefarious. But I LOVE the amount of clouds it produces. It would be a slow move up the board keeping behind clouds and such. Any thoughts on how to fit another throne in? I would be terrified to drop this against any sort of armor skew, which is ironic, because ive had great success dropping Bethayne with 4 rakes, swordsman and raptor into heavy armor skew such as khador,menoth, and mercs. War Room Army Legion of Everblight - Bethayne, OoA Theme: Oracles of Annihilation 1 / 1 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Bethayne, Voice of Everblight - WB: +20 - Succubus - PC: 4 - Belphagor - Nephilim Bloodseer - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Nephilim Bloodseer - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Shredder - PC: 4 (Battlegroup Points Used: 4) - Shredder - PC: 4 - Shredder - PC: 4 Throne of Everblight - PC: 16 Blackfrost Shard - Sevryn, Rhylyss & Vysarr: 9 Ice Witches - Leader & 2 Grunts: 7 Ice Witches - Leader & 2 Grunts: 7 Blighted Nyss Hex Hunters - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Bayal, Hound of Everblight - PC: 0 Spawning Vessel - Vessel & 6 Grunts: 7 Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew - Leader & 1 Grunt: 2 THEME: Oracles of Annihilation --- GENERATED : 11/14/2017 10:37:35 BUILD ID : 2054.17-11-04
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Nov 14, 2017 20:26:08 GMT
But still dropping this list into heavy armor skew would make me nefarious. But I LOVE the amount of clouds it produces. It would be a slow move up the board keeping behind clouds and such. Not trying to assume... But you do understand that Bloodseers cannot put down Despoiler from Belphagor. Right?
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Post by chillychinaman on Nov 14, 2017 20:26:09 GMT
Has anyone considered replacing a max unit of Hex Hunters with two of Ice Witches in Oracles? Having 6 sprays, at MAG8 with a bloodseer, seems like great clearing potential and zone coverage. I think the main problem would be keeping them alive, but if they're kept toward the back I think they should be okay what with concealment and pathfinder.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Nov 14, 2017 20:50:12 GMT
Has anyone considered replacing a max unit of Hex Hunters with two of Ice Witches in Oracles? Having 6 sprays, at MAG8 with a bloodseer, seems like great clearing potential and zone coverage. I think the main problem would be keeping them alive, but if they're kept toward the back I think they should be okay what with concealment and pathfinder. That's a lot of points to sink into a combo that is easily removed. Usually does not fit into any Warcaster's plans. But also can be done by a much better model in the same theme - Throne. Bloodseers do have their utility and bring a great bonus; but it's a bonus for a small subset of models that hardly carry our faction. I'm not saying it's a bad module. It's completely self sufficient. But for 22pts I could do so much more with hexhunters or throne in Oracles and swordsmen/raptors in CotD (both themes the module can be used). Also, just a game state sort of problem - 6 sprays is amazing. But you can only have so many enemy models within 5" of that single bloodseer. Outside of shield wall I can't imagine you getting more than 4 models and highly unlikely they are line up to make 4 separate sprays deeper into their army. Not saying it could never happen. Just not common.
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Post by izrian on Nov 14, 2017 21:43:26 GMT
But still dropping this list into heavy armor skew would make me nefarious. But I LOVE the amount of clouds it produces. It would be a slow move up the board keeping behind clouds and such. Not trying to assume... But you do understand that Bloodseers cannot put down Despoiler from Belphagor. Right? I do, just want that flank bonus, blood seers 2inch reach is nice. And the +2 to magic attacks is nice as well. Want to double dip.
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Post by izrian on Nov 14, 2017 21:58:34 GMT
How about something like this? Would be pretty damn funny to shoot off some spells during your opponents turn while under feat.
And seeing as how puppet master lasts 1 round. You could pretty much guarantee a kill on a grunt. And then a well placed spine burst or spray, that if you could get the bloodshed into position would be amazing.
War Room Army
Legion of Everblight - Saeryn, OoA Test
Theme: Oracles of Annihilation 2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Saeryn, Omen of Everblight - WB: +28 - Succubus - PC: 0 - Seraph - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14) - Zuriel - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14) - Nephilim Bloodseer - PC: 8
Throne of Everblight - PC: 16 Throne of Everblight - PC: 16
Ice Witches - Leader & 2 Grunts: 7 Blackfrost Shard - Sevryn, Rhylyss & Vysarr: 9 Blighted Nyss Hex Hunters - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Bayal, Hound of Everblight - PC: 0
THEME: Oracles of Annihilation ---
GENERATED : 11/14/2017 14:57:41 BUILD ID : 2054.17-11-04
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Post by chillychinaman on Nov 14, 2017 23:35:27 GMT
Only battlegroup models get Retaliatory Strike, so no battle wizard thrones.
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