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Post by Korianneder on Mar 31, 2017 2:17:21 GMT
You also cannot throw servitors with the Axiom due to not being able to target friendly models with power attacks. Yea, the fast ball special is no longer allowed.
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Post by Aurora on Mar 31, 2017 2:32:14 GMT
You also cannot throw servitors with the Axiom due to not being able to target friendly models with power attacks. Ops! That's right! Change made.
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Post by danfromchicago on Mar 31, 2017 5:03:55 GMT
Let's not engage in hyperbole; it makes the Tow Cables less useful against heavies. Only heavies can spawn whelps? Fair point. Lights can also. I don't think troll lights realistically threaten the axiom though. At least not in a single round
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Post by javaman21011 on Mar 31, 2017 17:21:51 GMT
As I recall Mulg is pretty threatening, as is a Mauler
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Post by Korianneder on Mar 31, 2017 17:28:20 GMT
As I recall Mulg is pretty threatening, as is a Mauler Sure, but Axiom at spd 5, 2 inch melee out threats both of them. In order to out threat the Axiom they need rush, which means Mulg won't have rage and mauler has to spend two fury to put rage on himself after charging. Neither of them can one round an Axiom. Now obviously there's a LOT more to this from all the different casters and support on both sides, but the Axiom is still good into trolls even though spawned whelps stop it from dragging.
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Post by javaman21011 on Mar 31, 2017 19:39:54 GMT
Then the Axiom is more suited for melee against Trolls? Sounds like Lucant, Axis or Synth would serve it better.
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Post by javaman21011 on Mar 31, 2017 19:42:02 GMT
Also to OP: Here's some more details regarding Charging under Synth's feat: privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?261441-Prime-Axiom-Syntherion-s-feat-Charge&p=3840316&viewfull=1#post3840316In that forum someone asks if you can charge a target A and then do a ranged Tow as your first initial on target B. The infernal said: You would get your Drag attack if the ranged attack was against the charge target. The Drag attack is a charge attack. The Drag attack is lost if the ranged attack was against a model that is not the charge target. It cannot be saved for later and the first melee attack has to be against the charge target.
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Post by Aurora on Mar 31, 2017 20:34:12 GMT
Also to OP: Here's some more details regarding Charging under Synth's feat: privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?261441-Prime-Axiom-Syntherion-s-feat-Charge&p=3840316&viewfull=1#post3840316In that forum someone asks if you can charge a target A and then do a ranged Tow as your first initial on target B. The infernal said: You would get your Drag attack if the ranged attack was against the charge target. The Drag attack is a charge attack. The Drag attack is lost if the ranged attack was against a model that is not the charge target. It cannot be saved for later and the first melee attack has to be against the charge target. Noted. Therefore, spend one of the melee initial attack on the charge target; leaving the range Tow to pull other models!
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Post by petegrrrr on Apr 3, 2017 17:04:10 GMT
"Against heavies and battle engines the Tow Cables reel in the target and the Axiom then proceeds to drill it to pieces. The enemy needs to screen their heavies to prevent this from happening"
You can't drag Battle Engines. You need to update that bit of tactica in the initial post. Battle Engines have the massive rule, which prevents them being pushed.
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Post by Aurora on Apr 3, 2017 17:47:31 GMT
"Against heavies and battle engines the Tow Cables reel in the target and the Axiom then proceeds to drill it to pieces. The enemy needs to screen their heavies to prevent this from happening"You can't drag Battle Engines. You need to update that bit of tactica in the initial post. Battle Engines have the massive rule, which prevents them being pushed. Correction made; thanks for pointing it out!
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Post by CodFather on Apr 4, 2017 21:12:56 GMT
Nathan Hoffman(rydiafan) is an infernal and says Whelp Shedding shuts down drag. Now, that is an appeal to authority which means it's a logical fallacy When rules are unclear and you have to appeal to a higher authority, I don't quite think that qualifies as a logical fallacy. Games are imperfect and loop holes abound, so we appeal to them to resolve discrepancies. F*** That's a really obtuse ruling that makes the PA useless against Trolls. Unless of course your opponent is tricky and wastes all his whelps ahead of time. Then again in a tournament setting you could use the threat of a PA to change his behavior. It is not an obtuse ruling, nor it is unclear in the rules. Appendix A clearly outlines the interaction. There was no need to get any "higher authority" involved, as it is clearly in the rules, people perhaps just did not know where to look.
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Post by PG_AcidOverride on Apr 9, 2017 10:37:08 GMT
I have personally never had my Axiom obviated by trolls. In general our threat ranges are longer, and especially under Syntherian or Mother I am happy to keep poking them with boosted accelerspiker shots. They get 5 whelps when they buy them. If they use two per turn to prevent my drags, by turn three they are out AND I am likely ready to close to melee.
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Post by javaman21011 on Apr 10, 2017 2:18:46 GMT
Are you even in range to shoot on turn 1?
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Post by PG_AcidOverride on Apr 12, 2017 15:50:19 GMT
Are you even in range to shoot on turn 1? Usually no, but the Axiom was rarely the only thing forcing the shedding of whelps. That said: 7 (deploy) + 8 (run) + 2 (rush) + 12 (deploy, theme) + 5 (walk) + 11 (tow) + 2 (fire group) = 47 So bottom of two under mother if you deploy right across you are pretty close, if your opponent has +2 deploy or 12" total of run, you CAN shoot, but most won't go that far against such a threat, though I have frequently shot my spiker bottom of one at targets under mother, three boosted POW 11s will often get them to srop at least one for healing...often in front...where I can still shoot it with two unboosted attacks.
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Post by javaman21011 on Apr 13, 2017 20:23:10 GMT
But would they necessarily waste a whelp on an Accelspiker? If you're playing a tournament-level opponent they'd likely save all whelps for just the Drag attacks, right? Or bring Bouncers to use their shield guard?
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