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Post by ghoulio on Oct 16, 2017 19:22:25 GMT
I just started into Minions a few months ago after a friend of mine decided to get out of Warmachine and gave me his MK2 Dr. Arkadius Theme army. I repainted it and have been playing it for the last few months. I have been having so much fun with it I haven't actually thought much of what I would pair with it until I did a tournament this last weekend and just dropped it into everything, which obviously wasn't the best choice. With that being said this is the list I am currently running:
D. Arkadius - Will Work for Food
- Targ (free)
- Road Hog
- Road Hog
- War Hog
- War Hog
- Gun Boar
- Gun Boar
- Gorax Rager
Dahlia Hallyr
- Skarath
Alten Ashley (free)
Efaarit Scout (free)
Efaarit Scout (free)
Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew
As I kind of just play this into everything I am kind of a loss as to what it's weaknesses are and what would be a good pairing for it. For this list my main issues have been the lack of pathfinder and how squishy the beasts in this army are. With that in mind I was kind of thinking of Carver with 5 heavies, but that doesnt really do well into dude spam I would think. My other worry is having any kind of answer for Cryx at all, as I dont think this list does much in that match up either. So any suggestions on who I should be looking at, what kind of list, etc as a starting point with a few list ideas would be greatly helpful. Thanks!
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Post by shicato on Oct 18, 2017 16:51:33 GMT
With the new theme force, I think this list actually plays quite well into dude spam as the overtake on all the beasts can be used to chew through the lines and then his feat be used more for fury management than speed.
I'm currently pairing him up with Rask as I find his major weakness is gunlines, especially something like Kara Sloan is pretty terrifying for Arkadius. I think another weakness of this particular list would be incorporeal models, especially with the proliferation of lists like Ghost Fleet and Grymkin (with 3 Gremlin Swarms). A simple addition that would really help with that is a Bog Trog Mistspeaker
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Post by ghoulio on Oct 18, 2017 17:22:54 GMT
With the new theme force, I think this list actually plays quite well into dude spam as the overtake on all the beasts can be used to chew through the lines and then his feat be used more for fury management than speed. I'm currently pairing him up with Rask as I find his major weakness is gunlines, especially something like Kara Sloan is pretty terrifying for Arkadius. I think another weakness of this particular list would be incorporeal models, especially with the proliferation of lists like Ghost Fleet and Grymkin (with 3 Gremlin Swarms). A simple addition that would really help with that is a Bog Trog Mistspeaker Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. What would your Rask list look like out of curiosity? |
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Post by dagowit on Oct 18, 2017 17:31:42 GMT
How about Carver? I know playing two essentially identical lists might be boring but Batten should help against Sloan. Also, two nearly identical lists means you can usually predict what your opponent will drop.
I assume Primal Shock can deal with 3 Gremlin Swarms. Cryx is a different matter, however.
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Post by Azahul on Oct 18, 2017 23:25:29 GMT
I have Carver built as my Cryx drop. He's still Warbeast heavy, but he runs a very different loadout to Arkadius which makes him a lot more effective into infantry. I've got him with the following:
Carver (WWFF)
-Battle Boar
-Battle Boar
-Battle Boar
-Battle Boar
-Splatter Boar
-Splatter Boar
-Splatter Boar
-Splatter Boar
-War Hog
-War Hog
Bellows Crew
Lanyssa
Mist Speaker
Hutchuck
Maximus
Orin Midwinter
Gremlin Swarm
Once the Blindwater stuff comes out the Gremlin Swarm and Bellows Crew will likely become Longchops and Maximus will turn into Kwaak. But in the meantime, this can get through a lot of infantry, and still has the hitting power to trash quite a few heavies.
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Post by shicato on Oct 20, 2017 15:32:36 GMT
I'm currently running War Room Army Minions - Rask wwff Theme: Will Work For Food 4 / 4 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Rask - WB: +27 - Targ - PC: 0 - Blackhide Wrastler - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 16) - Blind Walker - PC: 12 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11) Brun Cragback - Cragback & Lug: 16 - Lug Bog Trog Mist Speaker - PC: 0 Dahlia Hallyr - Hallyr & Skarath: 17 - Skarath Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress - PC: 0 Rorsh - Rorsh & Brine: 15 - Brine - Battle Boar - PC: 7 Wrong Eye - Wrong Eye & Snapjaw: 17 - Snapjaw Ogrun Bokur - PC: 0 Swamp Gobber Chef - PC: 1 Swamp Gobber Chef - PC: 1 THEME: Will Work For Food --- GENERATED : 10/20/2017 16:31:44 BUILD ID : 2050.17-09-10 But I'm by no means convinced this is the optimal build, just the one that leads to me having a great time  |
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Post by Gaston on Oct 20, 2017 17:05:39 GMT
I have Carver built as my Cryx drop. He's still Warbeast heavy, but he runs a very different loadout to Arkadius which makes him a lot more effective into infantry. I've got him with the following: Carver (WWFF) -Battle Boar -Battle Boar -Battle Boar -Battle Boar -Splatter Boar -Splatter Boar -Splatter Boar -Splatter Boar -War Hog -War Hog Bellows Crew Lanyssa Mist Speaker Hutchuck Maximus Orin Midwinter Gremlin Swarm Once the Blindwater stuff comes out the Gremlin Swarm and Bellows Crew will likely become Longchops and Maximus will turn into Kwaak. But in the meantime, this can get through a lot of infantry, and still has the hitting power to trash quite a few heavies. Carver -War Hog -War Hog -War Hog -Road Hog -Road Hog -Battle Boar -Battle Boar -Targ Lanyssa Mist Speaker Orin Gremlin Swarm Gremlin Swarm Bellows Crew |
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Post by ghoulio on Oct 20, 2017 17:28:24 GMT
I have Carver built as my Cryx drop. He's still Warbeast heavy, but he runs a very different loadout to Arkadius which makes him a lot more effective into infantry. I've got him with the following: Carver (WWFF) -Battle Boar -Battle Boar -Battle Boar -Battle Boar -Splatter Boar -Splatter Boar -Splatter Boar -Splatter Boar -War Hog -War Hog Bellows Crew Lanyssa Mist Speaker Hutchuck Maximus Orin Midwinter Gremlin Swarm Once the Blindwater stuff comes out the Gremlin Swarm and Bellows Crew will likely become Longchops and Maximus will turn into Kwaak. But in the meantime, this can get through a lot of infantry, and still has the hitting power to trash quite a few heavies. How do you find this into something like Cryx? My only issue is I only own 2 gun boars, 2 splatter boars and 1 battle boar...so my ability to make this list is almost zero haha. Looks cool and I bet would be super fun to play, especially since you can run everything up 18" on turn 1 for free. I am really interested in Carver, Sturm and Drang and maybe Rask (those are the ones i am thinking for now). Obviously things will change a bit when the Blindwater CID comes out *cough* Maelok *cough* |
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Post by Azahul on Oct 20, 2017 22:32:02 GMT
Carver -War Hog -War Hog -War Hog -Road Hog -Road Hog -Battle Boar -Battle Boar -Targ Lanyssa Mist Speaker Orin Gremlin Swarm Gremlin Swarm Bellows Crew I got Arkadius for that  How do you find this into something like Cryx? My only issue is I only own 2 gun boars, 2 splatter boars and 1 battle boar...so my ability to make this list is almost zero haha. Looks cool and I bet would be super fun to play, especially since you can run everything up 18" on turn 1 for free. I am really interested in Carver, Sturm and Drang and maybe Rask (those are the ones i am thinking for now). Obviously things will change a bit when the Blindwater CID comes out *cough* Maelok *cough* It doesn't cover every Cryx list perfectly. It has decent game into Ghost Fleet, they struggle to crack that much armour and Carver is pretty difficult to assassinate. Most Bane lists are manageable, but you do need to be careful around the Riders. It can comfortably deal with Wraith Engines. The main problem point is Skarre1 running a bunch of Stalkers, because they out-threat it and bypass Batten. Arkadius has ok game into Skarre so long as he also has a Mist Speaker, so the upshot is that I usually end up in list chicken and have to spend all my games playing with a Mist Speaker in both lists that I only want for one specific match-up  |
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