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Post by macdaddy on Oct 21, 2017 17:36:48 GMT
joedj I guess my experiences in SR2017 is that, if champs are not charging something by Turn 3, either your opponent is playing back and losing on scenario or the troll player positioned his champs poorly. Not to discredit you or your troll players. Just have different experience with them. I think they are best in the northkin theme. Once the elder drops they are gonna hit light freight trains haha.
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joedj
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Post by joedj on Oct 21, 2017 18:19:08 GMT
joedj I guess my experiences in SR2017 is that, if champs are not charging something by Turn 3, either your opponent is playing back and losing on scenario or the troll player positioned his champs poorly. Not to discredit you or your troll players. Just have different experience with them. I think they are best in the northkin theme. Once the elder drops they are gonna hit light freight trains haha. No worries! Experiences differ. I find in our venue that Zones are often contested by toe-in solos, w/ some type of evasion-of-targeting ability (Stealth, hi-DEF, incorporeal, supreme ARM, Feat, etc.) at end of Round 2 and Round 3/first Turn end, so losing on scenario is slow enough that it doesn't guarantee that Champs will get that SIGNIFICANT charge, unless the opponent pre-measured incorrectly (Lanyssa!). Examples we see at venue of Champ-thwart-tech are the usual suspects: Counter Charging Great Bears/Kovniks or MAT 7 'jack spam Coven & Weaponmasters Exemplar spam-recur Centratii-ARM/DEF buffed with Agonizer back-up, Sprinting Archidon. Cygnar guns w/ enhanced damage-leaps. Denny1 Crippling Grasp w/ or w/o Ghost Fleet etc. For Champs, rather than Retaliatory Strike OR Sanguine Bond (I own Bastions also) I'm much more excited about: Calandra, Star Crossed at 18" to limit gun fire, and to make DEF 14 (Chronicler/GK?) work Madrak1!! <--** Northkin Elder/Theme for +SPD, THEN + damage when there! Minion inclusion: Lanyssa
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Post by mazog on Oct 22, 2017 13:02:18 GMT
Madrak1 champs made my opponents super-frustrated yesterday. Try it!
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 22, 2017 14:20:37 GMT
joedjI think the reason I have a hard on for champs is because I have been using them/facing them with all the CiD toys. Particularly the northkin elder + madrck 1 is really really good. Pow 14 WM dudes that are almost always def 14+ is amazing. Also, def 16 in melee means even boosted mat 7 attacks need 9's to hit which means an enemy heavy who boosts will miss half its attacks also my meta is different than yours. Most of the khador I see is either jack spam or rocket spam and there is a butt ton of cygnar and ret who explode when champs charge haha.
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Post by ninjastars on Oct 22, 2017 15:51:18 GMT
Another good trick with madrak1 and the champ hero is with tactician, you get to go back to the mk2 days of walking your champ through a unit of champs, threshering to clear them up, then charging the champs deeper in.
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