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Post by chillychinaman on Oct 11, 2017 19:37:07 GMT
Since we got the non-character Beast Mistress and Fyanna, Legion skipped the lesser warlock train. I was wondering, if Legion did get one, what would they look like?
I can see it going in one of two ways:
1) Generic character like Zaadesh
2) Affinity character like Una/Horgle
For spells, they'd probably have a battlegroup-only version of Draconic Blessing(Forced Evolution?) and a nuke like Blood Rain or Razor Wind.
Any one else have ideas? I started playing during the tail-end of Mk2 so I wasn't around when the lessers were first introduced. What was everyone else hoping for?
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Oct 11, 2017 20:49:04 GMT
I'd expect we'd get something special. Like the "Bee Mistress" ! You know it can only have blight wasps in it's battle group. [/sarcasm]
I really don't see us getting a named warlock. Athancs are the only way to control the blight and beasts. If you get one; you're a full fledged caster. no in between.
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Post by chillychinaman on Oct 11, 2017 22:57:30 GMT
I'd expect we'd get something special. Like the "Bee Mistress" ! You know it can only have blight wasps in it's battle group. [/sarcasm] I really don't see us getting a named warlock. Athancs are the only way to control the blight and beasts. If you get one; you're a full fledged caster. no in between. How do Mistresses work then? For fun and nostalgia, I went back and read the story attached to Thagrosh2 old theme list, New Blood I think it was, and I don't think you necessarily have to have an athanc to control blighted beasts. Same goes for the shepherd. The blight bees also would've been neat on the Mistress. They wouldn't benefit from Aggressive, but Energizer plus animus cast by the Mistress would've been nice. This is drifting to into wishlist and repeated posts territory, but I would love to see a bloodseer warlock. We already know that Bloodseers hold a rank of authority in the budding Nephilim culture and they can cast animi. Nephilim Warlock-Nephilim Light Warbeast [25boxes] FA:1 SPD6 STR8 MAT5 RAT3 DEF13 ARM17 CMD8 FURY4 Gaff: PS12 Magical Weapon Critical Knockdown. Draconic Consort[As the Beast Mistress minus lesser restriction and Fury Manipulation] "Dragon Magic" Model can be forced to gain any 1effect for 1 RND: -Arcane Assist[Warlock can upkeep 1 spell for free while in this model's CMD] -Spell Slave[Can cast non-upkeep, non-CTRL range spells on the Warlock's card.] -Harmonious Exaltation[*Action RNG:CMD, warlock reduces cost of spells by 1] "Dragon Shaman"-If this model frenzies, it can instead immediately activate and forfeit its combat action. This model can not be activated later this turn. In addition this model can begins the game with Fury equal to its FURY and can leech, force, reave, and cast animi as if it had the Fury manipulation rule. Spells Draconic Blessing Dragon Blood/Cloak of Ash? With Legion's current pricing scheme probably around a conservative 14pts? |
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Post by davycannonhound on Oct 12, 2017 23:12:30 GMT
A Nephilim Warlock would be badass. I kinda want it to be a fully fledged warlock.
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Post by davycannonhound on Oct 14, 2017 18:14:18 GMT
How do Mistresses work then? For fun and nostalgia, I went back and read the story attached to Thagrosh2 old theme list, New Blood I think it was, and I don't think you necessarily have to have an athanc to control blighted beasts. Same goes for the shepherd. The blight bees also would've been neat on the Mistress. They wouldn't benefit from Aggressive, but Energizer plus animus cast by the Mistress would've been nice. This is drifting to into wishlist and repeated posts territory, but I would love to see a bloodseer warlock. We already know that Bloodseers hold a rank of authority in the budding Nephilim culture and they can cast animi. Nephilim Warlock-Nephilim Light Warbeast [25boxes] FA:1 SPD6 STR8 MAT5 RAT3 DEF13 ARM17 CMD8 FURY4 Gaff: PS12 Magical Weapon Critical Knockdown. Draconic Consort[As the Beast Mistress minus lesser restriction and Fury Manipulation] "Dragon Magic" Model can be forced to gain any 1effect for 1 RND: -Arcane Assist[Warlock can upkeep 1 spell for free while in this model's CMD] -Spell Slave[Can cast non-upkeep, non-CTRL range spells on the Warlock's card.] -Harmonious Exaltation[*Action RNG:CMD, warlock reduces cost of spells by 1] "Dragon Shaman"-If this model frenzies, it can instead immediately activate and forfeit its combat action. This model can not be activated later this turn. In addition this model can begins the game with Fury equal to its FURY and can leech, force, reave, and cast animi as if it had the Fury manipulation rule. Spells Draconic Blessing Dragon Blood/Cloak of Ash? With Legion's current pricing scheme probably around a conservative 14pts? Inspired by your idea! Amon - Legion of Everblight Character Nephilim Bloodseer Lesser WarlockStats - SPD 5, STR 8, MAT 5, RAT 5, DEF 12, ARM 18, CMD 6, FURY 4, HP 22, COST 8 Weapons - Gaff: 2” rng, P+S12 melee attack, critical knockdown Abilities - Lesser Warlock, Field Marshall: Arcane (warbeasts in this model's battlegroup cast their animi for free), Affinity (Nephilim), Flight Spells - Dissolution Bolt, Draconic Blessing Cost - 14 |
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Post by drakkenblut on Oct 14, 2017 19:04:01 GMT
I really don't see us getting a named warlock. Athancs are the only way to control the blight and beasts. If you get one; you're a full fledged caster. no in between. Wroong. See Shepherds, Blight Mistresses, and Forsaken to a degree, all of them have some degree of communion with beasts, without an Athanc. You can do a char lesser warlock in a bunch of ways. Nephilim mother (my favorite). Nyss hunter, somehow bonded with a beast when going on a hunt to feed it when birthed. Very talented Succubus. Poorly inserted Athanc, however Everblight keeps it like this for reaearch. Also, you could do it if said Lesser warlock has a single beast battlegroup. |
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Post by wkm on Oct 15, 2017 17:06:04 GMT
I really don't see us getting a named warlock. Athancs are the only way to control the blight and beasts. If you get one; you're a full fledged caster. no in between. Wroong. See Shepherds, Blight Mistresses, and Forsaken to a degree, all of them have some degree of communion with beasts, without an Athanc. You can do a char lesser warlock in a bunch of ways. Nephilim mother (my favorite). Nyss hunter, somehow bonded with a beast when going on a hunt to feed it when birthed. Very talented Succubus. Poorly inserted Athanc, however Everblight keeps it like this for reaearch. Also, you could do it if said Lesser warlock has a single beast battlegroup. That's an interesting thought a Rorsch & Brine/Wrong Eye & Snapjaw type lesser caster might work. A junior type caster that can pick it's own battle group I think is out of the picture though. Either way though I think a named lesser warlock is very unlikely. |
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Post by haurukh on Oct 15, 2017 21:31:53 GMT
Just throwing in that apparently "Beast Warden" is a thing for Company of Iron, so maybe it will translate back to Warmahordes?
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Post by chillychinaman on Oct 15, 2017 23:28:46 GMT
Just throwing in that apparently "Beast Warden" is a thing for Company of Iron, so maybe it will translate back to Warmahordes? It's probably a card/commander ability. |
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Post by Hjard on Oct 16, 2017 4:28:39 GMT
Just throwing in that apparently "Beast Warden" is a thing for Company of Iron, so maybe it will translate back to Warmahordes? It's probably a card/commander ability. It was already stated that they are using Company of Iron as a test field for Beast Wardens, before they integrate them back into the big wargames. |
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Post by Ecalsneerg on Oct 16, 2017 10:04:03 GMT
It does make sense, Hordes doesn't really have anything like a Jack Marshall equivalent.
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Post by chillychinaman on Oct 16, 2017 14:44:12 GMT
It's probably a card/commander ability. It was already stated that they are using Company of Iron as a test field for Beast Wardens, before they integrate them back into the big wargames. That's news to me, any other details? There's also the issue that most of WM doesn't even use their jack marshals. |
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Post by davycannonhound on Oct 16, 2017 17:00:32 GMT
It was already stated that they are using Company of Iron as a test field for Beast Wardens, before they integrate them back into the big wargames. That's news to me, any other details? There's also the issue that most of WM doesn't even use their jack marshals. Hordes can probably get away with it more easily. The main issue (from what I've gathered) with jack marshals is the warjacks can't power up or gain focus. That shouldn't be an issue with Hordes, cause warbeasts get to be forced, instead of being given focus to boost and buy. |
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Post by chillychinaman on Oct 16, 2017 18:27:45 GMT
That's news to me, any other details? There's also the issue that most of WM doesn't even use their jack marshals. Hordes can probably get away with it more easily. The main issue (from what I've gathered) with jack marshals is the warjacks can't power up or gain focus. That shouldn't be an issue with Hordes, cause warbeasts get to be forced, instead of being given focus to boost and buy. I think the main issue would be that they're not part of a battlegroup and can't be forced, unless you're a faction with the Beast Master rule. Does anyone else want to do some more speculation on Beast Warden? If so, I can open a new thread. Back on topic, at this point, I would settle for Bees being added to the roster. I do like Davy's idea for a simple Legion lesser warlock. Dedicated STR buff with free animus would really help the Soldier, Protector, or Bloodseer. |
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Post by haurukh on Oct 16, 2017 18:33:21 GMT
Well, these days several WM factions have ways to give out focus (Menoth Vassal, Khador Forge Seer, Retribution Arcanists), so actually have the option to combine a jack marshal bonus like Crush! with also having focus to boost/buy. Pretty strong actually.
For beasts being forced to boost etc., I guess that is exactly the complicated part of beast warden. I would expect that beasts cannot be forced unless they have a warlock. Another question is how to deal with animi or other force effects.
For example, a Raek that cannot force would loose most of its value ..
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