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Post by Azahul on Oct 9, 2017 3:57:49 GMT
So with the return of free runs on Turn 1 I was mucking around seeing if it were possible to rebuild the Arkadius Ark in Mark III. Sadly I keep ending up shy a Gun Boar.
Arkadius
-War Hog
-War Hog
-Road Hog
-Road Hog
-Gorax
-Gorax
-Razor Boars
-Razor Boars
-Razor Boars
-Gun Boar
-Targ (free)
Hutchuck (free)
Ogrun Bokur (free)
Ogrun Bokur (free)
Gobber Chef
No Bone Grinders, but it does have Hutchuck. Two Shield Guards, just like the good ol' days. Free runs and the extra 2" deployment has basically been replaced with +4" on runs Turn 1. 20 free Mark III points versus 12 free Mark II points. Arkadius just has to pull the weight of the missing Gun Boar on the strength of his own buffs.
That said, losing that perfect symmetry is killing me.
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Post by flogger on Oct 9, 2017 12:45:31 GMT
What's with the Razor Boars?
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Post by Cryptix on Oct 9, 2017 13:04:18 GMT
What's with the Razor Boars? It's a replica of Arkadius' old theme which gave him Gorax access and free razor boars. |
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Post by flogger on Oct 9, 2017 14:33:07 GMT
What's with the Razor Boars? It's a replica of Arkadius' old theme which gave him Gorax access and free razor boars. Ah yeah! Had forgotten about those free razorboars  |
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Post by Gaston on Oct 9, 2017 14:49:25 GMT
They are really really good when free...
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Post by danfromchicago on Oct 9, 2017 15:57:35 GMT
As Arkadius is better in MKIII ...
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Post by danfromchicago on Oct 9, 2017 16:23:28 GMT
The one thing I will say about that list is that it has no units and SR2017 can punish that. I am of the opinion that every needs needs to have elements outside the Warcaster which can score every available zone; preferably more than one. A super fast list like Arkadius which also threatens the possibility of a rapid scenario victory is a double threat for sure. Might I propose something like this:
Minion Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Will Work for Food
!!! Your army contains CID entries.
(Arkadius 1) Dr. Arkadius [+32]
- Battle Boar [7]
- Gun Boar [9]
- Gun Boar [9]
- Razor Boar (2) [7]
- Razor Boar (2) [7]
- Road Hog [16]
- War Hog [15]
- War Hog [15]
- Targ [0(4)]
Bog Trog Mist Speaker [0(4)]
Bone Shrine [0(2)]
Kwaak Slickspine & Gub, Croak Sorcerers [0(4)]
Rorsh [15]
Farrow Bone Grinders (min) [5]
Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2]
Two units means that if you jam your opponent back hard, you can score both zones while holding back Arkadius(half of scenarios have two zones). Against squishier casters the Bone Shrine enables a Primal Shock assassination(three with a single boost). I would stick it on a flank to allow Arkadius to channel Crippling Grasp at nearby targets of opportunity. Also it can move Forced Evo to Beasts over there.
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Post by Azahul on Oct 9, 2017 23:49:21 GMT
Oh, I'm not including CID stuff. Bone Shrines will go in once they release, since it looks like they'll stay pretty much the same if the lack of changes in CID so far are any indication. Most of my lists will have a Bellows Crew for scenario purposes. I'm going to run the mock-Ark for the next few weeks though purely out of nostalgia  Hopefully the fact that half of all games will take place near my opponent's deployment zone will be enough to mitigate the lack of a unit, but I'm not terribly fussed. |
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Post by custardboy on Oct 10, 2017 0:14:48 GMT
The one thing I will say about that list is that it has no units and SR2017 can punish that. I am of the opinion that every needs needs to have elements outside the Warcaster which can score every available zone; preferably more than one. A super fast list like Arkadius which also threatens the possibility of a rapid scenario victory is a double threat for sure. I've actually found the opposite. My list pairs generally include 0-1 units. Either I can't clear a zone, or I dominate it. No biggie. Although, Arkadius certainly is a caster that doesn't want to be dominating... |
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Post by Cryptix on Oct 10, 2017 0:18:54 GMT
The one thing I will say about that list is that it has no units and SR2017 can punish that. I am of the opinion that every needs needs to have elements outside the Warcaster which can score every available zone; preferably more than one. A super fast list like Arkadius which also threatens the possibility of a rapid scenario victory is a double threat for sure. I've actually found the opposite. My list pairs generally include 0-1 units. Either I can't clear a zone, or I dominate it. No biggie. Although, Arkadius certainly is a caster that doesn't want to be dominating... What? Dominating isn't a thing anymore. Are you sure you're using the right rules? |
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Post by custardboy on Oct 10, 2017 0:28:50 GMT
Casters can score all scenario elements. My friends and I still just call it dominating.
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Post by Azahul on Oct 10, 2017 12:22:51 GMT
So I played it tonight (actually my first time getting to try out post-CID WWFF) and man I had fun Going first, running Razor Boars up, and then jamming the opponent's front line with them on Turn 2 let me just cruise to a scenario win because I scored three times in my opponent's turn on the bottom of two so I automatically won on scenario after the alpha strike. He really couldn't get out of his deployment zone. Played a second game into Defenders of Ios, so my opponent obviously had much better board presence, and the Razor Boars still did a pretty solid job of chewing up Halberdiers. I don't think it's the most optimal way to build an Arkadius list but it was a great nostalgia trip and man I've missed free runs and shield guards. |
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Post by perilsensitive on Oct 10, 2017 18:19:50 GMT
Man between WWfF and the Bone Shrine / Cauldron for Midas, MkII Azahul is back!  Now if we could just get a buff/cost reduction for Bone Grinders ... |
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Post by Azahul on Oct 11, 2017 2:58:12 GMT
Honestly, I still think Bone Grinders are one of our better units. They got buffed like crazy from Mark II to Mark III. They just also totally changed their role and became something I don't actually need (certainly not in the quantities I did in Mark II). They're still good fun. I have a Hordes heavy meta and any time I take 3-4 units in a list I roll over most tournaments without breaking a sweat. But without that hyper accurate Range 12 sniper shot they fall into the same problem every Farrow infantry model has. They get out-ranged and killed. We really need a delivery mechanism. I do wish WWFF allowed Farrow Warlocks to take free Razor Boars in place of free solos |
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Post by flogger on Oct 11, 2017 7:21:24 GMT
Wouldn't be unreasonable, I meaqn grymkin can take free Crabbits.
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Hopefully the fact that half of all games will take place near my opponent's deployment zone will be enough to mitigate the lack of a unit, but I'm not terribly fussed.
Now if we could just get a buff/cost reduction for Bone Grinders ...