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Post by albertairish on Sept 27, 2017 22:23:57 GMT
Lost Spell Piercer, gained Signs and Portents. Feat seems improved if just for ease of use and not killing your clock. Thoughts?
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Post by mcdermott on Sept 28, 2017 0:18:12 GMT
Feat will end up nerfed, its entirely too easy to put an end to a huge swath of casters just by feat turning due to the high armor value of gators + access to ambush tech to get close.
I expect either targeting each thing only once, or not being able to target warcaster/warlocks. Otherwise blindwalker spam might become a thing.
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Post by custardboy on Sept 28, 2017 0:29:48 GMT
Yeah that's the thing. Even changing it to only target once AND no targeting casters, it would still be a great feat. I expect they'll just change one thing to start with.
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joedj
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Post by joedj on Sept 28, 2017 0:33:10 GMT
Signs and Portents AND THAT FEAT. You had me at Signs and Portents for my Minions!! Blindwalker spam? Sells models  |
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Post by josephkerr on Sept 28, 2017 0:43:01 GMT
Blindwalkers cheaper too iirc.
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Post by albertairish on Sept 28, 2017 2:15:54 GMT
I'm hoping that the nerf is that it can't target warcasters. I know, I know, it's a major nerf, but the other suggestion being bandied about is that you can only target any one model with one hit, which is way worse.
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Post by flogger on Sept 28, 2017 4:44:37 GMT
Of course we should be able to target warcasters. Otherwise it's just a stupid feat. However, they should make it so that only warrior models can be sacrificed, that would be enough I think.
But I haven't playtested yet, the feat might be fine as is.
JagaJaga finally became a caster I'd really like to play, which feels great because I love the model and the fluff about her, and I put a lot of time into painting her.
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Post by DoktorGrym on Sept 28, 2017 4:53:47 GMT
Skarre 1 has sacrificial strike, which targets friendly warrior models, not any model, which the Gatorman witch doctor still also has. Perhaps something like that, but uses the base Strength of a Friendly Warrior model, still a 5" range though. Reduces the damage output slightly.
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Post by mcdermott on Sept 28, 2017 5:00:47 GMT
Of course we should be able to target warcasters. Otherwise it's just a stupid feat. However, they should make it so that only warrior models can be sacrificed, that would be enough I think. But I haven't playtested yet, the feat might be fine as is. JagaJaga finally became a caster I'd really like to play, which feels great because I love the model and the fluff about her, and I put a lot of time into painting her. How many casters die to 5 signs and portents pow16 hits? |
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Post by custardboy on Sept 28, 2017 5:10:07 GMT
Why only 5? It's D3+5  If you want to just use 5, an Arm16 caster on max camp would die. An Arm17 caster would get close. If they aren't on max camp or you get more models in range, any caster is straight up dead. Jaga-Jaga's feat currently lets her replenish her Fury too as the feat models die from unsourced damage, thus she can leech. She can cast signs and portents and follow up with 3 deadweights if the caster is in range of that! |
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Post by flogger on Sept 28, 2017 5:31:47 GMT
I'm not sure S&P works with the feat as a model is not making the damage rolls and only ff models benefit from the spell.
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Post by mcdermott on Sept 28, 2017 5:37:47 GMT
Jagajaga is making the damage rolls, its why they specify unboostable.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Sept 28, 2017 6:33:20 GMT
Of course we should be able to target warcasters. Otherwise it's just a stupid feat. However, they should make it so that only warrior models can be sacrificed, that would be enough I think. But I haven't playtested yet, the feat might be fine as is. JagaJaga finally became a caster I'd really like to play, which feels great because I love the model and the fluff about her, and I put a lot of time into painting her. Yeah, no. There's a fair bit of value in being able to place 6-8 auto-hitting damage rolls pretty much anywhere you want them. Killing support, killing high defense solos, removing UAs before they minifeat, or just RFP-ing Revenant Pirate leader models with a virtually impossible to stop swamp shambler. It wouldn't be an extremely powerful feat, but a Signs and Portents Warlock should not have a stupidly powerful feat, much less one that gives you an almost guaranteed assassination on any caster than comes within 17 inches of models in your army. |
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Post by custardboy on Sept 28, 2017 10:41:38 GMT
Hahah people on Facebook and CiD forum still trying to argue that its fine.
Can't argue with stupid.
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Post by flogger on Sept 28, 2017 12:51:42 GMT
It specifically says "target" which means JagaJaga needs LoS to the targets.
It's really a shame that now players actually have to use terrain, intervening models and tactics and actually play the game when facing JagaJaga...
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