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Post by albertairish on Sept 27, 2017 22:19:39 GMT
Death Pact now gives +2 ARM and Undead to all FF warrior models. Thoughts?
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Post by Cryptix on Sept 27, 2017 23:58:43 GMT
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Post by custardboy on Sept 28, 2017 0:35:42 GMT
I played against the IFP theme force last night. It was painful in melee.
I think Maelok would be able to absorb their charge, feat, use snacking, absorb more attacks, snacking, and table the opponent losing about 5 Posse and a beast. That seems... a bit much.
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Post by huckebein on Sept 28, 2017 2:02:48 GMT
I played against the IFP theme force last night. It was painful in melee. I think Maelok would be able to absorb their charge, feat, use snacking, absorb more attacks, snacking, and table the opponent losing about 5 Posse and a beast. That seems... a bit much. Keep in mind that Zombify is model, not model/unit. |
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Post by vomath on Sept 28, 2017 3:41:49 GMT
I think he's more talking about the rework of Maelok's Death Pact so that it affects all warrior models in his CTRL. Zombify is cute, but the new Witchdoc is all about Death Ride. You'll Zombify here and there after the lines have met, though.
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Post by flogger on Sept 28, 2017 4:39:40 GMT
Maelok now seems really good. 2 Witch Docs and 2-3 max Posse seems like a really nice deal. Posse are pow 15 vs mortality targets and now ARM 20 all the time, 22 on feat turn. Really seems like Maelok finally is a solid choice.
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Post by pox on Sept 28, 2017 10:20:22 GMT
to be fair with the changes to witch docs he needs this as they no longer can make whole units undead - yes it makes his undead posse thing more powerful but if it went back to its original format he would be in the worse state he has ever been with only one unit being able to benefit from feat. It is simply a reflection on the changing face of the witch doctor.
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Post by pox on Sept 29, 2017 12:43:18 GMT
Put this solution up on CID about Maelok just spending the whole game casting Death Pact and nothing else - what do people think?
Been thinking about the "Maelok is a Krielstone" concept a lot and I think the original poster is correct in the assumption that Maelok will spend the whole game casting Death Pact and not a lot else and this makes his very one dimensional to play. Death pact is a great spell and almost seems too good for 3 Fury yet even at this level it means he is not casting anything else meaningful. As the premium posse support caster who "can efficiently increase the Arm of his forces, return fallen soldiers to the battlefield, and when the time is right, use his feat to strike deep into the heart of the enemy." he can happy do the first and last part but without help he has not the Fury to return a fallen soldier to the battlefield.
I am proposing a compromise on one of the original posters solutions: "Spells wise we could explore making Death Pact a self upkeep, which would leave him very vulnerable to upkeep removal tech particularly on his feat turn,"
Death pact has two effects an ARM buff which is nice and plays into his role as a heavy attrition caster and the ability to make infantry undead which is essential for his feat now witch docs no longer do this.
How about we split the spell into two - Death pact remains at 3 Fury and offers the +2 arm bonus ONLY and becomes an upkeep thus becoming vulnerable to upkeep removal but meaning less Fury load on Maelok whilst the undead effect becomes a spell in its own right at Fury 1 so his Feat is not completely overturned by a channelled hex blast or some such. Overall this means a 1pt reduction in the effective casting of Death pact which frees him up to cast mortality or a revive with 2 Fury left over for protection but does leave him vulnerable to upkeep removal making positioning very important as he will want to be upfront to benefit more melee based posse yet then is closer to upkeep removal opponents.
I would hate to see this caster turned into a one spell model yet I think giving him abilties to gather souls/corpses to power his spells would make him much too powerful so proposing a compromise.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 29, 2017 13:06:18 GMT
That spell change is disgusting. No one will be as obnoxious with the blindwater theme now. Posse swarm is thing again. But uping it to fury 4 to cast would just be a brutal change. Maybe drop it from ctrl to cmd and keep fury 3. but then that's only within 7 of Maelok. That's harsh too. I guess you really want to take the shrines. but will that be available in the theme?
I have so many questions!
Either way, my favorite gator gets better. I'm happy.
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Post by huckebein on Sept 29, 2017 13:28:52 GMT
He can currently cast death pact and revive or mortality while still camping 2 by pulling one off a bone shrine. It sometimes gives him -1 def and armor, but if you're only camping 2 anyway and have a wave of arm 22 posse jamming up the enemy that's honestly not that big of a deal.
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Post by pox on Sept 29, 2017 13:34:16 GMT
That spell change is disgusting. No one will be as obnoxious with the blindwater theme now. Posse swarm is thing again. But uping it to fury 4 to cast would just be a brutal change. Maybe drop it from ctrl to cmd and keep fury 3. but then that's only within 7 of Maelok. That's harsh too. I guess you really want to take the shrines. but will that be available in the theme? I have so many questions! Either way, my favorite gator gets better. I'm happy. would only be Fury 4 to cast on the first turn the 3 Fury part of the spell would then become an upkeep meaning 2 fury to cast from then on. |
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Post by pox on Sept 29, 2017 13:37:47 GMT
He can currently cast death pact and revive or mortality while still camping 2 by pulling one off a bone shrine. It sometimes gives him -1 def and armor, but if you're only camping 2 anyway and have a wave of arm 22 posse jamming up the enemy that's honestly not that big of a deal. yeah and thats the issue - he can camp two IF and ONLY if he has a spare bone shrine left over to make him less one dimensional. |
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Post by albertairish on Sept 29, 2017 14:00:00 GMT
He can currently cast death pact and revive or mortality while still camping 2 by pulling one off a bone shrine. It sometimes gives him -1 def and armor, but if you're only camping 2 anyway and have a wave of arm 22 posse jamming up the enemy that's honestly not that big of a deal. yeah and thats the issue - he can camp two IF and ONLY if he has a spare bone shrine left over to make him less one dimensional. You can always put the Bone Shrine at the back of your deployment if you value it primarily as a Fury generator. I mean, a 2-point model isn't that great of a burden in list making. |
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 29, 2017 14:07:46 GMT
That spell change is disgusting. No one will be as obnoxious with the blindwater theme now. Posse swarm is thing again. But uping it to fury 4 to cast would just be a brutal change. Maybe drop it from ctrl to cmd and keep fury 3. but then that's only within 7 of Maelok. That's harsh too. I guess you really want to take the shrines. but will that be available in the theme? I have so many questions! Either way, my favorite gator gets better. I'm happy. would only be Fury 4 to cast on the first turn the 3 Fury part of the spell would then become an upkeep meaning 2 fury to cast from then on. I'm sorry, what you said is confusing. The new Death Pact is a round spell now with the change. Not an upkeep. |
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Post by pox on Sept 29, 2017 14:13:59 GMT
would only be Fury 4 to cast on the first turn the 3 Fury part of the spell would then become an upkeep meaning 2 fury to cast from then on. I'm sorry what you said is confusing. The new Death Pact is a round spell now with the change. Not an upkeep. you are correct I had mistakenly read bone shrines as one use items like Wracks. - though this does mean that a Bone Shrine is compulsory and a bit of a crutch to get him working at an ok rate. (though cheaper then taking 2 or so witch docs soley for his feat.) |
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