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Post by sand20go on Sept 24, 2017 14:57:41 GMT
How are folks handling? We just don't have "great" options. Maybe with the looming theme force but absent putting something like the Grolar under a Forgeseer with a caster that buffs shooting I just don't see a great option for Grymkin Swarms (figure 4), the Or the Wraith engine. Thoughts?
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Post by smoothcriminal on Sept 24, 2017 15:05:09 GMT
I'm on new themes bandwagon. Current themes pigeonhole you into b3 or karchev against the meta.
The Wraith engine is the hard one. Gremlins can be oneshot with the marshalled jack or just with caster magical nuke.
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Post by wendan on Sept 24, 2017 15:35:55 GMT
Ruin, butcher 2, and a crap ton of doom reavers?
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Post by leotherat on Sept 24, 2017 16:16:17 GMT
Don't forget that all of the greylords have magic and magical weapons. So, it looks like the greylord theme is going to have to be used at events. Assuming that the winter wolf theme is as presented in the preview what caster would allow you to deal with a wraith engine, a ton of pirates, a metric ton of banes and/or lots of carapaced jacks? I going to assume that this would be our anti-cryx drop as well as anti-grymkin.
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Post by sand20go on Sept 24, 2017 16:46:14 GMT
Don't forget that all of the greylords have magic and magical weapons. So, it looks like the greylord theme is going to have to be used at events. Assuming that the winter wolf theme is as presented in the preview what caster would allow you to deal with a wraith engine, a ton of pirates, a metric ton of banes and/or lots of carapaced jacks? I going to assume that this would be our anti-cryx drop as well as anti-grymkin. What I can't past is the challenges such a list has with Armor Cracking. That said, Furied Ternrions under B1's feat sounds something glorious ;-) |
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Sept 24, 2017 16:53:46 GMT
Sand, are you saying Doomreavers don't do Armor Cracking? If they're not enough, bring em with 4-5 jacks singing backup...
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Post by leotherat on Sept 24, 2017 19:18:56 GMT
No, that was me. I'm just having a tough time finding a caster who "can do it all" in the greylord theme. Is there a caster who can deliver reavers while still giving consistant armor cracking? Consistant is important since cryx is now going to start using jacks (black industries, dark host and infernal machines). Then you still have the problem of recursion from ghost fleet. I can't see dedicating 2 lists to cryx and then just dealing with everyone else.
P.S. It will probably be a Grymkin drop as well so there's all of those headaches as well.
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Post by sand20go on Sept 24, 2017 19:49:12 GMT
Sand, are you saying Doomreavers don't do Armor Cracking? If they're not enough, bring em with 4-5 jacks singing backup... No they do fine. It is keeping them ALIVE which I am having a hard time with. 13 (or 16) points for 6 models is a tough tax to pay. |
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Post by smoothcriminal on Sept 24, 2017 19:57:13 GMT
Greylord theme is not all.
Mow theme allows mercs and Z1 with A&H and Orin should be great Cryx drop. Or you can play 2x shockies + 2x marshalled destroyers under a wider caster selection than Jaws.
I also expect some other old theme to be allowed to take mercs.
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Post by auraco on Sept 24, 2017 22:40:35 GMT
My guess is hope for all the theme to be updated to have access to merc units, and then bring ayana & holt in your grymkin/cryx drop, it's probably going to be the best option. If not, well doom reaver theme or man o war theme with ayana & holt.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Sept 24, 2017 22:57:51 GMT
Sand, are you saying Doomreavers don't do Armor Cracking? If they're not enough, bring em with 4-5 jacks singing backup... No they do fine. It is keeping them ALIVE which I am having a hard time with. 13 (or 16) points for 6 models is a tough tax to pay. and sand20go, I'm currently looking at OW2 as one of my 2 casters by year end. Model puchased, but not yet assembled. And I hate playing unpainted. I hear you on the point tax. True story. I had a nice chat with Hungerford at Gen Con. He voiced a personal opinion that doomies were overcosted and in the current meta should probably be 10-11 points. That would be a thing. MOW with A&H would be a thing. Seriously. I hope they allow Behemoth in the MoW theme force, and Ruin in the graylord theme. |
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Post by Netherby on Sept 25, 2017 0:35:42 GMT
Yeah, we have a pretty hard time with incorporeal in our current themes. Out of theme there are lots of options of course. And there is the objective that hands out magical weapons.
In theme it's pretty much entirely up to the caster to deal with them. Or the Seers in Jaws either with a jack on them or using their weapon/spell.
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