Suggested 2 list pair for Masters (ADR)

i dont know about vanguard and specialist but with jaw dont dismis kozlov too fast, if u run it with alot of jack pathfinder on all of them, no KD, fury reposition speed and armor buff on feat turn seem quit good to me. with legion of steel strakhov and irusk are awesome and zerkova can be quite good too but she is not the best imo not enought damage buff or utility beside of the cloud.

i have, zerkova is not really a jack or infantry caster since she doesn buff nothing and ghost walk buff everything. irusk is more for attrition since he can keep his troop alive and even buff them, strakhov is more i put everything in your face now try to wwin on scenario and his buff are upkeep only feat aside

I played him 3 times in the jorneyman league we did at the beginning of MK3 and then one just the other day. Always found him boring to play but the other comments RE being a Jack caster has me thinking.

Thanks everybody.

[I'll update this later with a Irusk2 list I played and my thoughts]

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Khador Army - 75 / 75 points

[Theme] Jaws of the Wolf



(Irusk 2) Supreme Kommandant Irusk [+27]

- Behemoth [25]

- Devastator [14]

- Juggernaut [12]

Greylord Forge Seer [0(4)]

- Destroyer [14]

Greylord Forge Seer [0(4)]

Kayazy Assassins (max) [15]

- Kayazy Assassin Underboss [4]

Kayazy Eliminators [5]

Kayazy Eliminators [5]
Widowmaker Scouts [8]



This is the terrible list I brought. I played into Rashet Winds of Death.

Lost Top of 4 to assassination but I'd lost prior to that due to subpar list building and deployment.
I should have played my LoS list into Skorne but I didn't have the models at the time so yeah.

What I think I'll end up doing is a 'more kayazy' version with Irusk2 JotW something like this..

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Khador Army - 75 / 75 points

[Theme] Jaws of the Wolf



(Irusk 2) Supreme Kommandant Irusk [+27]

- Juggernaut [12]

- Marauder [10]

- Rager [11]

Greylord Forge Seer [0(4)]

- Destroyer [14]

Greylord Forge Seer [4]

Kayazy Assassins (max) [15]

- Kayazy Assassin Underboss [4]

Kayazy Assassins (max) [15]

- Kayazy Assassin Underboss [4]

Kayazy Eliminators [5]

Widowmaker Scouts [8]


I'll need to borrow the second full Assassins but to quote my opponent "dealing with 22 stealth, tough no kd immune to blast Kayazy is much harder than 11"

I have an upcoming champions format tournament (also in November ), and am mulling the same thing over myself.

None of the casters in this ADR strike me as particularly jack happy, and I am not LOS's biggest fan. The best answer I have come up with is to play Irusk 2 or Strakhov 2 in the upcoming MOW theme (assuming it is released on time), both of them have some interesting things to offer this theme on paper - and I already have all the models.

Z1 is being looked at as the other caster in the pairing - either with the upcoming greylord theme, the winterguard theme (with dual battle engines!), or out of theme.

Kozlov might be interesting, but I can't really figure out what he wants to be built with... Mow maybe?

Probably true, but:

1 - Kozlov likes quite balanced lists, which makes him jack-happier, at least compared to Irusk2 and Strakhov2. I wouldn't have a problem taking 3+ jacks with Kozlov, provided one or two of them are relatively light on focus needs (Marauders or Kodiaks, possibly a Devastator).

Of available themes, I could also see Kozlov in the MoW theme. He can give two units of ST reform a turn and they like Fury and his feat too. I've tried Drakhuns with him before and the feat makes them really hard to affect on scenario. A key point to remember with Kozlov is that he is unusual in using jacks to deal with terrain. So less need for Saxon in theme (maybe Ragman to really up the damage potential). It will end up as a scenario/attrition list.

Playing around with the MoW theme got me 2xSTs with UA and Kovniks, 1x Bombardiers + UA, a Drakhun, Ragman and 34 points for the battlegroup. I think he could run that well - hot-swap Tac Supremacy to get the STs up the board in shield wall, Ragman lurking nearby. Bombardiers hold back for mini-feat. Drakhun runs off to claim a zone if required. Battlegroup deals with terrain if required;

2 - I've run a Zerkova1 list in Jaws with 5 jacks in it and I'm fairly happy with it:
Zerkova1
-Juggernaut
-Juggernaut
-Marauder

Forgeseer (free)
-Destroyer

Forgeseer (free)
-Destroyer

Marksman

Kayazy Assassins (max) + UA
Eliminators
Eliminators
Widowmakers

Zerkova doesn't load the jacks up that frequently. Juggernauts work nicely with Watcher, the Marauder does slams or is a sacrifical piece. The Destroyers have the range to aim and then get boosted (and magical/blessed) POW16s. So fairly jack heavy, but also stealth infantry who like Ghost Walk.

Probably doesn't pair well with the Irusk2 Kayazy to the max^TM list though.

I think I would go with the popular choice of Irusk2 Jaws and SK2 LoS.

Particullarly because I find SK2 to be better in LoS and I really enjoy the Irusk2 Jaws build.

The only really hurdle I think is what to or why ADR. Its fairly complex with Themes to be honest.