twity
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Post by twity on Sept 18, 2017 13:26:29 GMT
I was wondering if I could your input on a list concept I am currently mulling over.
I want to use the spawning vessel in Oracles to generate a cloud wall for Thagrosh (1 or 2) to advance under. I like it with eThagrosh because I think Manifest Destiny really ramps the subpar lessers up. I am just going to list my points with bullets
-With apparition, the spawning vessel is actually pretty quick
-The acolytes are great for generating flaming safety clouds for Thagrosh, and they will just feed into the pot when they do so
-Thagrosh himself is a threat (and pThags projects his strength sapping aura). This is usually mitigated by how easy it is to kill him, but the cloud wall fixed this and burns anyone who simply tries to walk up to him.
-You can even kill a few jamming enemy models and position the acolytes to plug any gaps in your cloud wall
-You can protect any beasts that have not advanced too far. With eThags you can feat them back under your cloudwall.
-The spawning vessel is actually good for Scenario in 2017
-It can create fast lessers that can control or contest zones. The lessers might be able to get work done too, but with the pot place nothing is off limits
-It cannot control a zone (it is not a warrior unit), but considering it is part of the Thagrosh escort that is not too huge a deal
-It allows Thagrosh to sit in a zone
Anyway, my plan was to run beast heavy in oracles for free stuff with the spawning vessel, and I am currently playing with eThagrosh lists. Let me know what you think.
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Post by gobber on Sept 18, 2017 14:57:47 GMT
Eruption of ash RFP's the primary target so you don't feed the pot by making clouds, but it's otherwise a good trick. If it pops more than 1 lesser it's easily paid for itself
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twity
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Post by twity on Sept 18, 2017 15:07:41 GMT
Aww, you are right. I didn't realize that it stops all trigger effects from dying
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Post by yourmumrang on Sept 18, 2017 15:17:39 GMT
Also Spawning Vessel can't score
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Post by Falcen on Sept 18, 2017 16:01:31 GMT
Imho it depends if you're playing beast heavy or not, at least for pThags that's a serious question, for eThags not so much. If you're using pThags with some infantry you don't need to spend points on the pot, just use whatever is already available anyway if the need arises. Can't say much about eThags as I'm missing the experience with him, but it look like an option for him, not sure if they fit well into lists with him though.
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twity
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Post by twity on Sept 18, 2017 19:05:35 GMT
I am building eThags lists (who I think is seriously underrated) and want an easy cloud wall to deliver him and allow him to maintain prescence. The easiest option is spell martyrs but I want to save at least 1 for the assassination threat. Thagrosh also benefits from stacking his battlegroup, but I want to capitalize on the apparition bonus from the theme that best stacks battlegroups. It also seems like the spawning vessel benefits much more from the apparition as it will never be able to position itself as far as it would like, so the 2 inch moves value increases significantly.
I just wonder if that is enough to overcome the inherent weaknesses of the piece. I will test and report back.
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bward
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Post by bward on Sept 18, 2017 19:12:45 GMT
I am building eThags lists (who I think is seriously underrated) and want an easy cloud wall to deliver him and allow him to maintain prescence. The easiest option is spell martyrs but I want to save at least 1 for the assassination threat. Thagrosh also benefits from stacking his battlegroup, but I want to capitalize on the apparition bonus from the theme that best stacks battlegroups. It also seems like the spawning vessel benefits much more from the apparition as it will never be able to position itself as far as it would like, so the 2 inch moves value increases significantly. I just wonder if that is enough to overcome the inherent weaknesses of the piece. I will test and report back. Run Blight Wasps if you want to take advantage of apparition. I think Thags2 is appropriately rated.. which is an OK beast caster. Not bad, but if you wanted to run a full battlegroup you are better off with several other options... mainly Abby2. |
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Post by josephkerr on Sept 18, 2017 20:50:18 GMT
I think Thags2 is appropriately rated.. which is an OK beast caster. Not bad, but if you wanted to run a full battlegroup you are better off with several other options... mainly Abby2. Thagrosh2 has every turn Manifest Destiny, Scourge, a Bond with Typhon, and a rng2 pow 18 weapon. There are several reasons his game is different and sneakily powerful compared to other beast casters. As for a moving cloud wall, swamp gobbers bellows crew should be available in theme real soon and I love them with the Thagroshes. Thags has to punch his own cloud wall, and a rng2 weapon makes his cloudwall maybe three clouds wide with a medium/large base standing at the center of the formation. Bellows crew/succubus does close to the same thing, but late game the crew can run into place and have thags pop them in the back for eruption of ash clouds, which has both offensive and defensive power. |
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twity
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Post by twity on Sept 18, 2017 22:25:00 GMT
Manifest Destiney is obviously his schtick, and his feat is solid (and fits well with my playstyle). I think he is underrated because of the cloud wall, which stops anything save a warcaster or jack/beast from walking through it. In live scenarios being able to play yourself where you want is a huge advantage.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 2:51:06 GMT
if we get to take a minion unit in theme shamblers are great for cloud wall tech.
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danx
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Post by danx on Sept 19, 2017 13:05:14 GMT
I like the Shambers. But with Thag1, I'd look at the hex hunters. With PS12 and immune to fire and stealth - you can shoot them with your own Ravagores making them hard to remove with enemy melee units.
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