npe
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Post by npe on Sept 16, 2017 21:11:53 GMT
Running an Aiakos2 list built to drag the enemy caster into a swarm of Ripjaws might be fun. Aiakos2 loves BI in general. DJ has much more freedom to operate and Kribby can hang 17" back without worrying about getting shot.
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Post by nirvanawn on Sept 17, 2017 5:23:12 GMT
This is what I am looking to try this and throw down with.
War Room Army
Cryx - Denny 2 75 pts Indistries
Theme: No Theme Selected 89 / 75 Army
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Wraith Witch Deneghra - WJ: +28 - Deathjack - PC: 23 (Battlegroup Points Used: 23) - Leviathan - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 5) - Leviathan - PC: 16 - Leviathan - PC: 16 - Defiler - PC: 8 - Nightwretch - PC: 7 - Nightwretch - PC: 7
Warwitch Siren - PC: 4 Warwitch Siren - PC: 4
Cephalyx Overlords - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8 Cephalyx Overlords - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8
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GENERATED : 09/17/2017 01:22:36 BUILD ID : 2047.17-07-25
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npe
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Post by npe on Sept 17, 2017 20:00:04 GMT
This is what I am looking to try this and throw down with. War Room Army Cryx - Denny 2 75 pts Indistries Theme: No Theme Selected 89 / 75 Army <! OVER POINT LIMIT !> Wraith Witch Deneghra - WJ: +28 - Deathjack - PC: 23 (Battlegroup Points Used: 23) - Leviathan - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 5) - Leviathan - PC: 16 - Leviathan - PC: 16 - Defiler - PC: 8 - Nightwretch - PC: 7 - Nightwretch - PC: 7 Warwitch Siren - PC: 4 Warwitch Siren - PC: 4 Cephalyx Overlords - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8 Cephalyx Overlords - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8 --- GENERATED : 09/17/2017 01:22:36 BUILD ID : 2047.17-07-25 One thing to try is swapping the defiler for a NW, one unit of overlords for the WSC and then going for another levi and getting another free nightwretch (by dropping the overlords and the sirens). 4 Levis and an extra nightwretch do a lot to handle crappy rof rolls on the levis.
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Post by Kavrae on Sept 18, 2017 19:39:10 GMT
Copying my list from the recently closed Announcements thread, since it was closed before I could get any feedback. This is my list of warcasters that can utilize the theme list to a reasonable degree. Not necessarily tournament level, but at least well enough to be worth putting on the table. Anyone not listed I either don't think has a good ability set to work with Warjacks, or doesn't have the focus to run them.
Asphyxious3 - Unyielding (field marshal), Calamity, Mobility. Me makes for an aggressive and hard to remove brick of warjacks and their support models. He seems to be the poster boy of the theme list, even mentioned in the reveal.
Agathia - Hellwrought on Deathjack, Ghostly when needed, and Parasite to remove heavy threats. Feat gives the entire army mobility. Kinda fails on the focus side of things though.
Aiakos2 - He looks to be amazing with the shooting heavies. I definitely want to try him out. Specifically with some drag jacks.
Goreshade1 - Battlegroup stealth, soul gate, and Banes that shouldn't be in theme. Someone showed me a 7 Seether list with 90% stealth that was just...absurd.
Goreshade3 - Infernal Machine, scything touch, and freeze burst with Cephalyx Drudges. 5 focus for jacks per turn. He also really likes having the Withershadow around.
Venethrax - Countercharge (field marshal), mortality, and terminal velocity. Who needs to hand out focus when you have those abilities? I can see him being pretty aggressive with even Slayer spam, since his abilities are army-wide instead of focusing on specific warjacks.
Mortenebra1 - I don't know much about this caster as I never use her, but it seems like a fitting match. Morty2 still seems more light jack spam though, so probably not good for BI.
Skarre1 - Dark guidance to save focus on boosting to hit, plenty of focus from sacrificing some drudges, and that STR/ARM feat. Seems like a fun pairing to me.
Skarre2 - Future Sight (field marshal), admonition for threat extension, black spot for some infantry removal, death ward on the most important warjack, and the +/-5 DEF (feat) is definitely best in armies with a few primary threats instead of hordes. Probably a Leviathan focused list to abuse Black Spot and Future Sight.
Deneghra2 - You can probably put together a good warjack gunline here with good anti-shooting tech. Saw a few examples of this above.
I wonder if Deneghra3 would work if I focused on Seethers.... that way she isn't focus starved on turns where she isn't loaded down with souls (so... most turns).
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Post by Deller on Sept 18, 2017 21:44:06 GMT
Copying my list from the recently closed Announcements thread, since it was closed before I could get any feedback. This is my list of warcasters that can utilize the theme list to a reasonable degree. Not necessarily tournament level, but at least well enough to be worth putting on the table. Anyone not listed I either don't think has a good ability set to work with Warjacks, or doesn't have the focus to run them. Asphyxious3 - Unyielding (field marshal), Calamity, Mobility. Me makes for an aggressive and hard to remove brick of warjacks and their support models. He seems to be the poster boy of the theme list, even mentioned in the reveal. Agathia - Hellwrought on Deathjack, Ghostly when needed, and Parasite to remove heavy threats. Feat gives the entire army mobility. Kinda fails on the focus side of things though. Aiakos2 - He looks to be amazing with the shooting heavies. I definitely want to try him out. Specifically with some drag jacks. Goreshade1 - Battlegroup stealth, soul gate, and Banes that shouldn't be in theme. Someone showed me a 7 Seether list with 90% stealth that was just...absurd. Goreshade3 - Infernal Machine, scything touch, and freeze burst with Cephalyx Drudges. 5 focus for jacks per turn. He also really likes having the Withershadow around. Venethrax - Countercharge (field marshal), mortality, and terminal velocity. Who needs to hand out focus when you have those abilities? I can see him being pretty aggressive with even Slayer spam, since his abilities are army-wide instead of focusing on specific warjacks. Mortenebra1 - I don't know much about this caster as I never use her, but it seems like a fitting match. Morty2 still seems more light jack spam though, so probably not good for BI. Skarre1 - Dark guidance to save focus on boosting to hit, plenty of focus from sacrificing some drudges, and that STR/ARM feat. Seems like a fun pairing to me. Skarre2 - Future Sight (field marshal), admonition for threat extension, black spot for some infantry removal, death ward on the most important warjack, and the +/-5 DEF (feat) is definitely best in armies with a few primary threats instead of hordes. Probably a Leviathan focused list to abuse Black Spot and Future Sight. Deneghra2 - You can probably put together a good warjack gunline here with good anti-shooting tech. Saw a few examples of this above. I wonder if Deneghra3 would work if I focused on Seethers.... that way she isn't focus starved on turns where she isn't loaded down with souls (so... most turns). The one's I don't like: Asphyxious3 - Keith from Muse has a great discussion I agree with about Focus Tension. museonminis.com/moms-podcast-307/ starting at 38:40. In the Cryx catalog he discusses Asphyxious3 & Mortenebra2 & their issues running a large battlegroup, & its an issue I've noticed myself when playing. IMO Asphyxious3 can't really manage a large battlegroup too well unless you get tons of Souls. I personally believe he does better in Infernal Machines where he can bring good Units like Soul Hunters & Carrion Thralls for a more Combine arms style of list. Goreshade3 - You don't get a feat, Drudges aren't fast enough to get into relevant places for the feat, there's 0 undead grunts allowed for Mockery, & he doesn't really do anything for large numbers of jacks. Pass. Skarre2 - same issue as Asphyxious3 although not as extreme. She really wants a small battlegroup with a Kraken since she's one of if not the best Colossal caster in the faction due to how Black Spot can allow the Kraken extra Big Gun shots when it gets kills with its mini gun, having the Best Armor buff for a colossal, & her field marshal. If the Kraken got Carapace in theme she'd 100% play in Black Industries, but since it doesn't you're better off in Infernal Machines, Dark Host, or waiting for Black Fleet where you'll have access to better screening units instead of playing in Black Industries where you'll need to take more jacks then she wants. The ones I love: Agathia - Desecrator Spam. Since she's a bane herself she fuels a Desecrator enough to fully boost its shot just by standing next to it when it starts its activation. If you're not spamming Desecrators she's better off in a different theme or themeless since she doesn't have the focus to reliably fuel anything else. Goreshade1 - Same as above. His feat provides a unit of Banes that get to fuel the Desecrators & he comes packing Lamentation & Shadowmancer. Personally I think Agathia probably does it better, but Shade1 has the ability. Venethrax - This theme was basically written to solve all his problems. If this theme doesn't get him seeing regular play nothing will. Mortenebra1 - Crabjack Gunline. With Sac Lamb she can fuel a large number of ranged jacks as she sits back repairing. If you want to play Leviathans Mortenebra's your girl. Skarre1 - Before Ghost Fleet came out there were a lot of people playing a 7 Stalker Skarre1 list with 3 Stalkers on Aiakos1, 4 on Skarre. That list could easily make a massive comeback with armor 23 Inflictors for shield guard & free Scavengers. Scaverous - while it doesn't seem intuitive at first, this theme contains everything he wants. conflictchamber.com/#c4201b_-0U371w3ad-1e1e1h0tbF73Cryx Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Black Industries (Pre-release) !!! You are using a pre-release theme. (Scaverous 1) Lord Exhumator Scaverous [+27] - Deathjack [23] - Erebus [16] - Inflictor [13] - Ripjaw/Nightwretch [0(7)] - Ripjaw/Nightwretch [0(7)] - Stalker [8] - The Withershadow Combine [9] Wrong Eye [17] Croe's Cutthroats (max) [16] You get all the the most important models you'd want in a Scaverous list but instead of bringing a second faction unit like Satyxis Raiders or Bane Knights you get Deathjack, an Inflictor, & a Stalker allowing you to get better arc nodes for free, +2 Deployment, & Carapce on 3 great heavies. I think Scaverous is potentially the best caster in Dark Industries.
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Post by tesoe on Sept 18, 2017 22:33:46 GMT
I think there is the potential for this theme to come out feeling a lot like Denny's old Cephalyx theme.
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Post by marke on Sept 19, 2017 3:08:51 GMT
Why nobody ever mentions eSturgis He is legit. Best caster in game secretly.
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npe
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Post by npe on Sept 19, 2017 4:03:22 GMT
Copying my list from the recently closed Announcements thread, since it was closed before I could get any feedback. This is my list of warcasters that can utilize the theme list to a reasonable degree. Not necessarily tournament level, but at least well enough to be worth putting on the table. Anyone not listed I either don't think has a good ability set to work with Warjacks, or doesn't have the focus to run them. Asphyxious3 - Unyielding (field marshal), Calamity, Mobility. Me makes for an aggressive and hard to remove brick of warjacks and their support models. He seems to be the poster boy of the theme list, even mentioned in the reveal. Agathia - Hellwrought on Deathjack, Ghostly when needed, and Parasite to remove heavy threats. Feat gives the entire army mobility. Kinda fails on the focus side of things though. Aiakos2 - He looks to be amazing with the shooting heavies. I definitely want to try him out. Specifically with some drag jacks. Goreshade1 - Battlegroup stealth, soul gate, and Banes that shouldn't be in theme. Someone showed me a 7 Seether list with 90% stealth that was just...absurd. Goreshade3 - Infernal Machine, scything touch, and freeze burst with Cephalyx Drudges. 5 focus for jacks per turn. He also really likes having the Withershadow around. Venethrax - Countercharge (field marshal), mortality, and terminal velocity. Who needs to hand out focus when you have those abilities? I can see him being pretty aggressive with even Slayer spam, since his abilities are army-wide instead of focusing on specific warjacks. Mortenebra1 - I don't know much about this caster as I never use her, but it seems like a fitting match. Morty2 still seems more light jack spam though, so probably not good for BI. Skarre1 - Dark guidance to save focus on boosting to hit, plenty of focus from sacrificing some drudges, and that STR/ARM feat. Seems like a fun pairing to me. Skarre2 - Future Sight (field marshal), admonition for threat extension, black spot for some infantry removal, death ward on the most important warjack, and the +/-5 DEF (feat) is definitely best in armies with a few primary threats instead of hordes. Probably a Leviathan focused list to abuse Black Spot and Future Sight. Deneghra2 - You can probably put together a good warjack gunline here with good anti-shooting tech. Saw a few examples of this above. I wonder if Deneghra3 would work if I focused on Seethers.... that way she isn't focus starved on turns where she isn't loaded down with souls (so... most turns). After a couple of days to think about it I finally came up with a Sturgis2 BI list that I would like playing: conflictchamber.com/#c4201b_-0Ue91f1f1u1u1u0te21u1u2k2k2B2B3232Cryx Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Black Industries (Pre-release) !!! You are using a pre-release theme. (Sturgis 2) Sturgis the Corrupted [+31] - Nightwretch [0(7)] - Nightwretch [0(7)] - Seether [13] - Seether [13] - Seether [13] - The Withershadow Combine [9] Aiakos, Scourge of the Meredius [4] - Seether [13] - Seether [13] Machine Wraith [2] Machine Wraith [2] Warwitch Siren [4] Warwitch Siren [4] Cephalyx Overlords [8] Cephalyx Overlords [8] Put occultation on Sturgis himself. Focus is a non issue with Aiakos1 and Seethers. 8 sprays and 2 aoes for feat fun. Escort for 15" threat on a seether with Sturgis's feat also has a lot of potential. Not sure if I should drop a machine wraith for two soul trappers though.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Sept 19, 2017 9:18:23 GMT
Speaking to a mate of mine, he suggested Morty 2 might be ok. A gunline of Crab Jacks that are arm 22 against ranged retaliation, have spellpiercer and Curse of shadows to de-buff the enemy, and when they do get engaged have flank from the feat.
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Post by unded on Sept 19, 2017 10:47:14 GMT
How is it that nobody is talking about the Coven? Is everyone just sick of playing them non-stop since the advent of MKIII?
Between a spell list that is tailor-made to deliver warjacks to / through enemy units, enough FOC to run a huge battlegroup, and a feat that all but ensures you get the alpha with your squishy warjacks, the coven are going to absolutely love this theme.
-und_ed
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Post by darkshroud on Sept 19, 2017 15:39:15 GMT
i cant wait for this theme to actually drop and have more restrictions than we saw.
bc im familiar with how cryx usually gets treated.
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Post by darkshroud on Sept 19, 2017 15:42:05 GMT
How is it that nobody is talking about the Coven? Is everyone just sick of playing them non-stop since the advent of MKIII? Between a spell list that is tailor-made to deliver warjacks to / through enemy units, enough FOC to run a huge battlegroup, and a feat that all but ensures you get the alpha with your squishy warjacks, the coven are going to absolutely love this theme. -und_ed her feat and the carpace kind of fight for the same purpose though. right? so while she benefits from it. it makes other casters more viable. and i think thats why you dont see her. or people are sick of playing her bc shes been in every pairing since before dark host dropped
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Post by marke on Sept 19, 2017 15:53:38 GMT
Speaking to a mate of mine, he suggested Morty 2 might be ok. A gunline of Crab Jacks that are arm 22 against ranged retaliation, have spellpiercer and Curse of shadows to de-buff the enemy, and when they do get engaged have flank from the feat. Morty's problem, so far IME, is she dies very easily. She is not unplayable with this theme, but there might be better alternatives. -- Furthermore, I don't think anyone has forgotten Coven, but in some ways the feat overlaps with carapace. On the other hand, it makes almost guaranteed alpha with intact jacks.
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npe
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Post by npe on Sept 19, 2017 16:22:25 GMT
Speaking to a mate of mine, he suggested Morty 2 might be ok. A gunline of Crab Jacks that are arm 22 against ranged retaliation, have spellpiercer and Curse of shadows to de-buff the enemy, and when they do get engaged have flank from the feat. Morty's problem, so far IME, is she dies very easily. She is not unplayable with this theme, but there might be better alternatives. -- Furthermore, I don't think anyone has forgotten Coven, but in some ways the feat overlaps with carapace. On the other hand, it makes almost guaranteed alpha with intact jacks. Morty powerball with Inflictors might fix that, but I wouldn't be surprised if warcasters don't get sacpawn[drudge] to round out the list.
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Post by unded on Sept 19, 2017 16:31:50 GMT
How is it that nobody is talking about the Coven? Is everyone just sick of playing them non-stop since the advent of MKIII? Between a spell list that is tailor-made to deliver warjacks to / through enemy units, enough FOC to run a huge battlegroup, and a feat that all but ensures you get the alpha with your squishy warjacks, the coven are going to absolutely love this theme. -und_ed her feat and the carpace kind of fight for the same purpose though. right? so while she benefits from it. it makes other casters more viable. and i think thats why you dont see her. Not really. Her feat protects from shooting, but with Carapace you can hold it long enough to protect from melee charges (denying the +3" charge threat range) while letting Carapace keep your toys safe from guns. -und_ed
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