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Post by Spid3r on Mar 23, 2017 13:16:30 GMT
Alright Ladies and Gents, Of my 5 years playing warmachine I have never, I repeat, never played another faction. After tedious thought and going back and forth I decided that I truly want to play skorne. I admit I dont want to paint them but thats another story. With all that being said is the all in one box worth buying or should I just buy separate models. I don't want to purchase something that I am not going to get any use out of. I know some of the basic MKII stuff about skorne but havent read the MKIII errata and have always wanted to jump in. THOUGHTS?
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granor
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Post by granor on Mar 23, 2017 13:33:18 GMT
Mac 2 seems to be a good warlock I am going to put her on the table tonight. Glad is of course great. Karn is great with the macs and maybe a few other casters. Marketh is .... ok he has some casters that really want him (morgoul2) and others he does literally nothing for. Paingiver beast handlers are a must buy. Swordsmen I don't own and have never felt the need to run them. My incinderrii have been on the shelf for all of MK3 and when I see our other skorne player run them they never seem to do well.
What casters are you looking at that will help know what to get.
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Post by Spid3r on Mar 23, 2017 14:26:19 GMT
To be honest I am not entirely sure. I know only a little about MKII Morgoul and not much else. Problem is I honestly havent done any research into them. Currently my main faction is Menoth and I play just about every type of list they have to offer so I am pretty open. I have seen Xerxis 2 and absolutely love the model so if the all in one wasnt worth it my plan was to start there strictly out of wow factor for me. Is he worth the buy does, he play good non spam lists?
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Post by steck on Mar 23, 2017 17:30:14 GMT
privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/starter-products/all-in-one-army-boxes/hordes-all-in-one-army-box-skorne-2017Are you thinking of the old all in one? The new one is: • Warlock Archdomina Makeda • Titan Gladiator Heavy Warbeast • Titan Sentry Heavy Warbeast • Basilisk Krea Light Warbeast • Praetorian Swordsman Unit (10) • Praetorian Swordsman Officer & Standard Command Attachment • Praetorian Karax Unit (10) • Praetorian Karax Officer & Standard Command Attachment • Paingiver Beast Handlers Unit (4) • Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor Solo (Minion) Both of the titans and the swordsman are multikits (swordsman are also Keltarii). Painting them can be tough, but IMHO the all in one is actually a good starting point. Beast handlers are in a lot of lists (usually min but still there), swordsman with UA are really good, I'vebeen told the karax with UA aren't that good, but with shieldwall and the minifeat going on you can hit arm 22 for a turn without any outside help, and that is nice. I havent put orin on the table yet but I can see where he might be really helpful for a skorne list, helping ignore a lot of spell attacks.
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Post by Spid3r on Mar 23, 2017 18:27:10 GMT
Are you thinking of the old all in one? The new one is: Both of the titans and the swordsman are multikits (swordsman are also Keltarii). Painting them can be tough, but IMHO the all in one is actually a good starting point. Beast handlers are in a lot of lists (usually min but still there), swordsman with UA are really good, I'vebeen told the karax with UA aren't that good, but with shieldwall and the minifeat going on you can hit arm 22 for a turn without any outside help, and that is nice. I havent put orin on the table yet but I can see where he might be really helpful for a skorne list, helping ignore a lot of spell attacks. TBH I wasnt sure which one I was going to buy. I know I can magnetize the beasts but in an all out value is it really good to go with the box or just buy everything separately. What I want to avoid is buying anything that is just down right not going to get used. I already did the "buy everything the faction has to offer" thing and dont want to do that again for a second one.
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steck
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Post by steck on Mar 23, 2017 18:34:20 GMT
sorry, I meant granor's breakdown is IIRC the older all in one, they stopped making that one and just released these. But (again IMHO, im not really great at this game) the only thing you wont get a lot of use out of would be the karax and the UA, I dont see them pop up in a lot of lists for some reason. I think they are a great front line to stick out for the opponent to charge and not be able to kill, or to secure something you need secured. Orin might not be as popular as themes roll out but until then he is great vs some lists and ok vs others.
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Post by Spid3r on Mar 23, 2017 18:46:19 GMT
sorry, I meant granor's breakdown is IIRC the older all in one, they stopped making that one and just released these. But (again IMHO, im not really great at this game) the only thing you wont get a lot of use out of would be the karax and the UA, I dont see them pop up in a lot of lists for some reason. I think they are a great front line to stick out for the opponent to charge and not be able to kill, or to secure something you need secured. Orin might not be as popular as themes roll out but until then he is great vs some lists and ok vs others. Well then maybe I will grab that one up. I think I can probably get some work done with them in my current meta. I do have a cryx player that plays heavy with units so could be a fun match up. I appreciate your guidance in this. Ideas on what to grab up to hit 75 and maybe put that unit away once i start heading that route?
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Post by trickytaco on Mar 23, 2017 18:51:36 GMT
Short version: it's a good box and you'll use most of it regularly depending on list preferences. I would recommend buying it.
Long version (wrote it on my phone, please forgive formatting etc.): pMakeda is in a pretty good place. She's not over the top but she is pretty strong and is fun to play (YMMV of course). Magnetizing the titan multikits is a really good idea and gives you a lot of flexibility for future list construction. The Gladiator is in almost all my lists and the sentry is a very solid beast as well, but it won't go in every list. The krea is an autoinclude in most of my brick lists, is useful elsewhere too but I often find myself strapped for points. A min unit if paingivers is in 95% of my lists, sometimes a max unit. I like the swordsmen if they have some sort of buff, but they've very solid on their own. Useful with a good variety casters but not all. Same goes for karax but I often leave them unbuffed. Really good jamming unit for the (low) cost. Seems like most people don't take the UA, as one of the draws for karax is the low cost and he drives it up. ARM 22, girded and steady without any support is no joke though. I really like them with Mordikaar, they're useful for other casters too. Orin is in some of my brick lists. He's good but I just don't have the spare points a lot of the time.
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Post by steck on Mar 23, 2017 18:59:45 GMT
75pts depends on what you want it to do really. Expanding her battlegroup doesnt hurt, she likes her character beast Molik Karn and he is still a solid beast without the bond. Mak 1 and zaad2 both like a unit of scarab swarms (shield guard field marshal and countercharge/sac pawn target). The willbreaker solo makes a lot of lists for his utility, or the master tormenter for his infantry removal. The Tycom is nice for his infantry buffing options but isnt really required, he is also a weaponsmaster P&S12. If you are going to run a titan as a cannoneer the cyclops shaman is a great utility beast, he can use other beasts animus so he can help on the approach handing out rush or doubling up on the krea aura, then he can use snipe from the cannoneer for his ghost shot attack.
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granor
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Post by granor on Mar 23, 2017 19:02:23 GMT
Yeap I was looking at the old one. Oops Spid3r what casters are you looking at? I only have terrible mk2 experience with Xerxis2 so you don't want to ask me about him.
Unfortunately coming into skorne right now and looking for "the competitive lists" is really hard. Our theme force looks good but the Dakar isn't out yet so unless you are proxying it you are running a sub-par list. Mac1 and Mac2 are looked on as good (I have run mac1 and she is good) but the community hasn't really agreed upon a list yet. I really love my Naaresh and the Jurassic park list (rhinodon, 2 archidons, tibbers aggy with zaadesh and a glad) but the list is moving around still. And of course we have all the new themes coming eventually. I fully expect an immortal theme and I think there is a 50% chance we will get some kind of a Fist replacement and of course a beast heavy theme could change some stuff around.
Do you have certain beasts or infantry you want to run? That could help us get you some lists.
The battle engines are also going to CID soon so that could change up some things also but I doubt that would impact what you are trying to do but I figured I would point it out.
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Post by Spid3r on Mar 23, 2017 19:19:03 GMT
Yeap I was looking at the old one. Oops Spid3r what casters are you looking at? I only have terrible mk2 experience with Xerxis2 so you don't want to ask me about him. Unfortunately coming into skorne right now and looking for "the competitive lists" is really hard. Our theme force looks good but the Dakar isn't out yet so unless you are proxying it you are running a sub-par list. Mac1 and Mac2 are looked on as good (I have run mac1 and she is good) but the community hasn't really agreed upon a list yet. I really love my Naaresh and the Jurassic park list (rhinodon, 2 archidons, tibbers aggy with zaadesh and a glad) but the list is moving around still. And of course we have all the new themes coming eventually. I fully expect an immortal theme and I think there is a 50% chance we will get some kind of a Fist replacement and of course a beast heavy theme could change some stuff around. Do you have certain beasts or infantry you want to run? That could help us get you some lists. The battle engines are also going to CID soon so that could change up some things also but I doubt that would impact what you are trying to do but I figured I would point it out. I like the battle engine MKII but will most likely hold off on it for now. The only beast that I really know and love is the Bronzeback Titan... Go figure right? Other than that I apparently have alot of reading to do. Thus will jump into some tactica and decide what I like that way I guess. As far as competitive, I dont really play in any Tourneys so I am not to worried about it. I play Menoth as main and while I win alot its mainly because I dont play in the trouneys lol.
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Post by demonic on Mar 24, 2017 5:02:39 GMT
I'll be honest and say "Skorne is not that good of a faction." Our defense is too low while our armor, while high, is not high enough to nullify the amount of damage that would be taken if our defense was just 1 or 2 points higher. A lot of our beasts are still overpriced and list building can be a pain with all the support buff units necessary to really get our faction's gears turning. On the other hand, you've been playing for awhile so it will only take you a few games to learn our support set ups that let us thrash.
Xerxis2 is a great caster, he completely nullifies how slow our beasts tend to be. Even with 5 fury, if you put in the bronze back and keep your beasts mainly titans you'll be able to maintain with a unit of beast handlers.
Mak1 and 2 are probably our best casters right now until Zaadesh2 becomes an official caster. (giving every one of SKORNE'S beasts counter charge? *drool*) Right now, the "auto win" list is still Zaal2 with an almost full exhalted list. Morghoul2 lives up to his name again and can easily pull off assassinations again. Also, if you know the way to run Mordikaar you can just eat up your opponents; the only issues is how easy it is to kill the Despoiler and magical attacks.
NOW, as for that box:
there are several lists that will be using every single one of those models, yet even at 75 pts, you'll be using additional troops.
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Post by Spid3r on Mar 24, 2017 13:21:15 GMT
I'll be honest and say "Skorne is not that good of a faction." Our defense is too low while our armor, while high, is not high enough to nullify the amount of damage that would be taken if our defense was just 1 or 2 points higher. A lot of our beasts are still overpriced and list building can be a pain with all the support buff units necessary to really get our faction's gears turning. On the other hand, you've been playing for awhile so it will only take you a few games to learn our support set ups that let us thrash. Xerxis2 is a great caster, he completely nullifies how slow our beasts tend to be. Even with 5 fury, if you put in the bronze back and keep your beasts mainly titans you'll be able to maintain with a unit of beast handlers. Mak1 and 2 are probably our best casters right now until Zaadesh2 becomes an official caster. (giving every one of SKORNE'S beasts counter charge? *drool*) Right now, the "auto win" list is still Zaal2 with an almost full exhalted list. Morghoul2 lives up to his name again and can easily pull off assassinations again. Also, if you know the way to run Mordikaar you can just eat up your opponents; the only issues is how easy it is to kill the Despoiler and magical attacks. NOW, as for that box: there are several lists that will be using every single one of those models, yet even at 75 pts, you'll be using additional troops. AWESOME! Yeah I remember them always having a big of an issue with speed but that being made up for with fury control. They seem like they play similar to Menoth with the fury control so I should be able to pick up on that fairly quickly. Does Bronze Back run good with Xerxis2. I love both of those models and thats probably going to be my main after the All-in-One. As far as the other casters I will have to do my research and see which ones will fit me best. Don't think I will be fully investing in Skorne until after I but one of everything Grymkin...(dont ask)
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Post by bloodsplatterartist on Mar 24, 2017 14:01:46 GMT
Hell yeah dude, Xerxis2 is fire. He can make just about anything work better with his feat and spell list. His only real weakness is his huge base but he has a solid stat-line so a few shield guards and force aura/spiny growth make him pretty Tanky.
I've even seen people run him with a venator gun-line in tier. Just about every model in the game loves better signs and portents. I like running him with Aradus bugs but a titan herd with a gladiator, bronzeback, Tiberion, and other stuff will probably work fine to.
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Post by Spid3r on Mar 24, 2017 14:39:16 GMT
Hell yeah dude, Xerxis2 is fire. He can make just about anything work better with his feat and spell list. His only real weakness is his huge base but he has a solid stat-line so a few shield guards and force aura/spiny growth make him pretty Tanky. I've even seen people run him with a venator gun-line in tier. Just about every model in the game loves better signs and portents. I like running him with Aradus bugs but a titan herd with a gladiator, bronzeback, Tiberion, and other stuff will probably work fine to. Nice thats what i like to hear. Those are the two models that i look forward to the most. I wouldnt mind running a gun line as a second list with him either.
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