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Post by Netherby on Sept 11, 2017 23:58:44 GMT
In the fluff they are also meant to be really quick to reload There is supposed to be a lever or switch or something that causes the shaft to retract so you can quickly slot another warhead on the end and keep stabbing.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Sept 12, 2017 4:10:44 GMT
In the fluff they are also meant to be really quick to reload There is supposed to be a lever or switch or something that causes the shaft to retract so you can quickly slot another warhead on the end and keep stabbing. Which I can see a trained warrior doing while riding between lines of opponents (so between "engagements"), but not if he's surrounded by enemies from the moment he first engages (so he charges the enemy and then is right in the thick of it without space to breath). I guess you can think of it as them only having time to reload if they start the turn unengaged? That still makes the rule far from a perfect table-top representation of "needing to reload", but that's always something a bit strange in miniatures games. I mean, the rule is clearly meant to represent a weapon that can only be used when you have sufficient momentum, so pretty much just a normal lance, but it's not completely unbelievable to apply it to the fantasy bomb-stick weapons the Uhlans use, even if it's not perfect. Ye-es, true, but after you've charged and triggered it you probably didn't have time to replace the explosive charge. At least that's how I interpret the rule in this case. Even if someone else moved into melee with the Uhlans and they're now counter-attacking with their un-used bomb lances? Well, maybe the trigger device requires a heavy impact, for safety; too heavy to effectively trigger without the momentum of a horse-borne charge? Yeah, OK, I dunno, I'm just trying to justify a fluffy rule because I like fluffy rules.
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Post by Lanz on Sept 12, 2017 4:31:33 GMT
They just need to get rid of the lance rule entirely, and just make it a mediocre weapon with Cumbersome that gets a way better version of brutal charge (additional dice on the charge, or +4 or something). So you'd end up with a weapon that can't be used along with other weapons, and while it CAN be used outside of the charge, it's not really worth using outside of the charge. That would fix pretty much every problem that lances have.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Sept 12, 2017 4:40:22 GMT
Well, it is true that Iron Fangs are trained to rearm the spear.
But after all Uhlan's lance is not only the grenade. It seems more like the bullet spear. If it is only the grenade, you better off throw it, but it needs to be a melee weapon because it allows you yo stab the enemy's vulnerable points as well as send the impact as the normal lance does.
I think that it is a kind of bangstick, but rely on the strength of the user heavily.
Anyway.... models with a weapon with Lance, and Steelhead Cavalry are must be buffed well and claim their rightful reward. It is not only problem of the Uhlans. So many cavalry are still have the poor treatment, while leaving Storm Lances just a superior option. How terrible.
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Post by Netherby on Sept 13, 2017 1:09:34 GMT
All the Iron Fang pikes and lances use a shaped charge on the end. So it must be pressed onto the target to be effective. Throwing it wouldn't really do anything.
The lance version is the same as the pike except that it features a retractable shaft to facilitate reloading on horse back. The lance version is +3 str, which I guess comes from the momentum of the horse. Remember that after a charge Uhlans are able to reposition, giving them ample time to reload their lance. In fact why not fight with the lance in its 'retracted' configuration if they are in close combat?
Why not just replace Lance with brutal charge? So the base power would be 14, +1 over a pike. But just being on horse back should allow them to get better hits off over being on foot. Why not even let them keep the pommel spike attack? It's not like having an extra power 10 is particularly amazing. Most of the time you would probably elect not to even take it. It's not like we are giving them a power 14-16 assault shot or adding electro leap.
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