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Post by gobber on Aug 25, 2017 6:49:39 GMT
So arm 19? Shield wall makes little sense for models that already have a shield bonus Shield wall with shields make quite a lot of sense IMO youtu.be/TTYz439cA5w...The arm buffs a single shield has never stacked with itself though; it'd be weird for the Valks to get +1/+5 arm out of theirs. Unless they changed the sculpts a bit to do a dual shield rule like the old devastators
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Fire Step
Junior Strategist
Everyday I'm Wrastlin'
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Post by Fire Step on Aug 25, 2017 8:06:42 GMT
conflictchamber.com/#cb201b_-0Pcr4c4c4d4ffI4k7F4ibF75Minion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Will Work for Food (CID) !!! You are using a pre-release theme. (Rask 1) Rask [+27] - Blackhide Wrastler [16] - Blackhide Wrastler [16] - Bull Snapper [5] - Swamp Horror [14] Bog Trog Mist Speaker [0(4)] Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress [0(4)] Rorsh [15] Saxon Orrik [0(4)] Wrong Eye [17] Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters (max) [19] #makeraskgreatagain
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Post by custardboy on Aug 25, 2017 8:12:41 GMT
I've been paying for the cheaper solos and maxing out on the expensive ones. Also Saxon seems to do nothing in that list I'm quite surprised we can get Efaarit free as that was one of the (only) noteworthy things about Thor fall alliance. And in this one you can get Alten for the annoying trio! Elish Garrity is a minion too, that'll be another solo we can look at when he's released.
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Post by Azahul on Aug 25, 2017 12:55:38 GMT
Well, you could take Alten in Thornfall, just no for free
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Post by Gaston on Aug 25, 2017 13:11:49 GMT
Well, you could take Alten in Thornfall, just no for free It is a CID cycle, speak up then!
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Post by Tenzilla on Aug 25, 2017 13:15:00 GMT
I think Midas and Arkadius are going to love and cheap shield guards, although I'm not that impressed with valks, I was hoping for so much more.
Hopefully they get a little more melee presence through the CID.
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Post by Tom_Bombadil_ on Aug 25, 2017 13:31:06 GMT
I am actually excited to play Rask in the theme over blindwater. I feel like the only thing he is missing is shamblers. I feel that Nyss and the lessers would be great for him.
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Post by Tenzilla on Aug 25, 2017 13:53:12 GMT
I am actually excited to play Rask in the theme over blindwater. I feel like the only thing he is missing is shamblers. I feel that Nyss and the lessers would be great for him. Rask with the lessers really hits hard and projects a ton of threat, but you need to be careful into I fantry heavy lists or Amon type lists with double your model count. You can get out attritioned really hard really fast. But the extra threat from lanysa and boundless on any of the lessers is really great. Snapjaw on warriors threats 15" brine is non linear 18" the super friends list got better. And now you get advance move and overtake to factor in as well. Rask is going to be threating turn 2 assassinations like every game.
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Post by Tom_Bombadil_ on Aug 25, 2017 14:22:59 GMT
I am actually excited to play Rask in the theme over blindwater. I feel like the only thing he is missing is shamblers. I feel that Nyss and the lessers would be great for him. Rask with the lessers really hits hard and projects a ton of threat, but you need to be careful into I fantry heavy lists or Amon type lists with double your model count. You can get out attritioned really hard really fast. But the extra threat from lanysa and boundless on any of the lessers is really great. Snapjaw on warriors threats 15" brine is non linear 18" the super friends list got better. And now you get advance move and overtake to factor in as well. Rask is going to be threating turn 2 assassinations like every game. Does every lesser's beast automatically get advanced move now as they by default are a solo-beast pair?
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Post by Tenzilla on Aug 25, 2017 14:41:38 GMT
They are a solo, if you choose to AM their beast or not is up to you.
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Post by Gaston on Aug 25, 2017 16:45:43 GMT
The more I fiddle with lists, the more I echo Azahul's frustrations and I reach towards the conclusion that in their current incarnation, Valkyries are ill suited towards WWFF.
Example, I ported over my Arkadius list:
Dr. Arkadius, Will Work for Food, T7 -Battle Boar -Battle Boar -Road Hog -Road Hog -War Hog -War Hog -Targ (Free) Dahlia -Skarath Gremlin Swarm Gremlin Swarm Hutchuck (free) Orin Midwinter (free) Valkries
Just by swapping out the Valkyries for x2 Ogrun Bokurs I make all of my beasts advance move, not just 5. (It matters to me!) Alternatively, I could drop the Valks and Gremlin Swarms for two more Battle Boars or Goraxes. Given the increase in infantry in SR17, 4 Battle Boars does not seem bad at all (harkening back to Azahul's strategy of two for buffing, two for battling).
That pushed me back towards Thornfall to test the Valks, and I ended up going down Cryptix's road, modifying my old list as well:
Midas, Thornfall Alliance, T0 -Battle Boar -Gun Boar -Gun Boar -Gun Boar -Gun Boar Rorsh -Brine Farrow Brigands (max) -Warlord (free) Farrow Brigands (max) -Warlord (free) Valkyries Commandos (min)
Seems...acceptable? Not great? And a lot of hoop jumping to force the Valks into a list, which is the greater aggravation.
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Post by Tenzilla on Aug 25, 2017 22:48:00 GMT
Idk how much I like 4 battleboar/gorax. I tend to just grab one of each and 2 gun boars. I can soften things up, clear charge lanes, and remove things much further away without committing a beast.
But that was before I had access to dahalia...so 3 sp10s may be the ticket.
Also why no lanyssa in the Arkadius list?
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Post by Azahul on Aug 25, 2017 22:53:30 GMT
Also why no lanyssa in the Arkadius list? In a word? Unnecessary. She's a luxury item, pretty low on the list of priorities. Her walk and Hunter's Mark threat range is less than the melee threat of the Warbeasts, and with Advance Move in play she's going to be lagging behind them to begin with.
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Post by Tenzilla on Aug 25, 2017 23:03:36 GMT
But she really helps when you have to send in a battle boar, or when you want the extra boost on the roadhog spray. But I get it.
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panama
Baby's First Wargame
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Post by panama on Aug 25, 2017 23:32:16 GMT
Thoughts on trying to get the valkyries: Countercharge Set defense instead of crit knockdown Pointblank instead of Assault
*edit* Makes them a bit more resilient and punishing things charging them or other units near them. Still can shield guard vengeance. Has double the attacks when locked in melee instead of just the shot on the charge.
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