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Post by custardboy on Aug 25, 2017 3:14:19 GMT
I think Overtake should change to beasts run for free- like old Nature of the Beast. It would make running light warbeasts much more attractive.
Midas is the only questionable one. We only need one more decent unit in WWFF for him to be certain there- which could well be Valkyries. It also may pend on what the boil master does...
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Post by gobber on Aug 25, 2017 3:27:46 GMT
Midas is the only questionable one. We only need one more decent unit in WWFF for him to be certain there- which could well be Valkyries. It also may pend on what the boil master does... I know this is sacrilege, but I will end up trying Boomhowlers+Valks with him. Reveille and spell denial aren't terrible with a bunch of shield guards and tough around. |
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Post by custardboy on Aug 25, 2017 3:33:28 GMT
Hmm, fair point. Boomhowlers don't measure up to brigands or nyss, but then there's the theme benefits...
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Post by Gaston on Aug 25, 2017 3:40:26 GMT
Maelok can Revive them?
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Post by Cryptix on Aug 25, 2017 3:46:41 GMT
Huh, never thought of that. He's still better in Blindwater.
Any thoughts on Valkyries with Carver?
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Post by Azahul on Aug 25, 2017 3:47:33 GMT
Only need one unit for Death March.  Death March is the worst part of his kit Though it's kinda cute being able to get into the Mat 12-13 range on pig infantry. The Valkyries even stay consistent with that. |
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Post by Azahul on Aug 25, 2017 3:52:38 GMT
Any thoughts on Valkyries with Carver? They're a cute luxury item on a Warlock who doesn't really worry about getting assassinated in the first place. If they pick up Point Blank instead of Assault then I'd consider them just to have another way to score in zones. Honestly, "cute luxury item" is basically how I'm coming to view them with all our Warlocks. Not the worst if you plan on dropping into gunlines and want to make sure those POW 20-22 Choir-blessed Galleon-under-Caine3's-Feat Cannon and Hook shots go into something expendable and you're worried the Bokurs won't sink all the shots. |
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Post by Cryptix on Aug 25, 2017 3:54:37 GMT
Yeah, I'm advocating that too. Pow 14 weaponmaster with Midas might be a bit much though.
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Post by Gaston on Aug 25, 2017 3:56:30 GMT
Only need one unit for Death March. Death March is the worst part of his kit Though it's kinda cute being able to get into the Mat 12-13 range on pig infantry. The Valkyries even stay consistent with that. Vengeance Nyss were not worth breaking theme, but are no joke either. |
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Post by Azahul on Aug 25, 2017 4:13:35 GMT
Vengeance Nyss were not worth breaking theme, but are no joke either. No, but they're 4 POW (and two shots in optimal circumstances) below Brigands when it comes to shooting, nor do they bring a Razorback Crew to contribute an extra shot. They hit about as hard in melee, but also cost you access to the harder hitting Slaughterhousers. And running an infantry Warlock in a 'beast theme still feels pretty close to "breaking theme" to me :/ Like I said though, I don't think Midas is a sure thing either way. Valid lists (as valid as a Midas list gets) can be built in either theme, and I don't think one way is better than the other. Not like our other four Warlocks... Helga now has a theme where she can spam River Raiders! |
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Post by custardboy on Aug 25, 2017 4:14:55 GMT
And get Brun and Lug and Orin!
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Post by gobber on Aug 25, 2017 4:54:54 GMT
Re: Helga
Free totem hunters are always fun slam/assassination/gang/backstop vectors as well
And there's something to be said for the river raiders granting 3 beasts advance move for four points
Re: Midas
Nyss also have their advantages, +2.5" melee/+4" ranged threat, CRA, and hunter are nothing to sneeze at. I've been missing advance move on Midas' beasts so they act as the first wave like they used to in Butchers' block; I could him working at the 50pts of battlegroup/lessers level to get 2 free things and fill the rest with infantry
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Post by flogger on Aug 25, 2017 6:30:11 GMT
Can use the same Carver list as always but with a lot more fun and tricks and free Gremlins  Valkyries need +2ARM base or Shield Wall to be worth taking IMO. Or their points lowered. |
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Post by gobber on Aug 25, 2017 6:34:54 GMT
Can use the same Carver list as always but with a lot more fun and tricks and free Gremlins Valkyries need +2ARM base or Shield Wall to be worth taking IMO. Or their points lowered. So arm 19? Shield wall makes little sense for models that already have a shield bonus |
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Post by flogger on Aug 25, 2017 6:44:19 GMT
Can use the same Carver list as always but with a lot more fun and tricks and free Gremlins Valkyries need +2ARM base or Shield Wall to be worth taking IMO. Or their points lowered. So arm 19? Shield wall makes little sense for models that already have a shield bonus Shield wall with shields make quite a lot of sense IMO youtu.be/TTYz439cA5w |
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