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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Aug 24, 2017 6:46:25 GMT
Hi folks,
So I've only just seen that ADR includes both Irusk2 and Zerkova2 at the moment. I've obviously totally missed this and am very excited since they're two of my favourite casters, and I've written a pair of lists to try out with them ASAP! Apart from them, Koslov is solid though not interesting and I'm sure there's plenty to be done with Strakhov2 but I haven't played him yet and don't own him.
I'm currently looking at Irusk2 JotW plus Zerkova2 out of theme. What are your thoughts on our current ADR selection?
Cheers, Dave
P.S. This came along at just the right time! Have been practicing OW2 a lot, then when I saw the model issues that idea got shelved...
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zeffid
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Post by zeffid on Aug 24, 2017 12:47:40 GMT
Isn't it Zerkova 1?!
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Aug 24, 2017 12:55:15 GMT
If it is I'm going to have words with my friend...
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Post by leotherat on Aug 24, 2017 13:14:50 GMT
Kozlov, Strak2, Zerk1, Irusk2. Sorry but that what's listed on the PP website.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Aug 24, 2017 13:56:00 GMT
I'll go kill my friend then But Zerkova1 will be legit as well I think, time for a ponder...
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zeffid
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Post by zeffid on Aug 24, 2017 14:38:06 GMT
I2 + Z1 is very valid imo! And there're actually options there. Plenty of.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Aug 24, 2017 14:57:03 GMT
Indeed!
And here's a first go:
Jaws of the Wolf Irusk2 +27 -Behemoth -25 -Juggernaut -12 -Kodiak -13 Greylord Forge Seer -0 -Destroyer -14 Manhunter -0 Widowmaker Marksman -4 Battle Mechaniks (Min) -3 Kayazy Assassins (Min) -9 -Kayazy Underboss -4 Kayazy Eliminators -5 Kayazy Eliminators -5 Widowmaker Scouts -8
Specialists -Kodiak -13 -Marauder -10 Manhunter -4 Yuri the Axe -6 Kossite Woodsmen (Min) -7
Zerkova1 +28 -Reinholdt -4 -Juggernaut -12 -Ruin -17 Koldun Lord -4 Man o War Drakhun -9 Man o War Drakhun -9 Doom Reaver Swordsmen -13 Doom Reaver Swordsmen -13 Iron Fang Ulhans (Min) -12 Kayazy Eliminators -5 Kayazy Eliminators -5
Specialists -Juggernaut -12 Fenris -9 Gobber Tinker -2 Ogrun Bokur -5 Lady Aiyana & Master Holt -8 -Koldun Kapitan Valachev -4
I've been playing that Irusk list (or close to) for a long time now, so now it's just able to take specialists! Zerkova is a bit more experimental and is aimed at a very few match ups (Cygnar and Khador mostly). So needs to be able to deal with control lists, heavy shooting and jack spam.
Thoughts?
Cheers, Dave
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Post by tapecrawler on Aug 24, 2017 15:36:34 GMT
Your Zerkova list is what gets me aggravated about themes. You have components of at least three themes in there that create a synergy you can't replicate in any theme. I really like it and would run it myself if I had the models but I'm not experienced enough to critique the list.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Aug 24, 2017 17:24:23 GMT
The problem with ADR and themes is that you have to mantain exact point values for free models when you swap things which renders the whole ADR thing moot.
The best ways to go I think are: - Z1 LegoS list + I2/Strakhov2 non-theme list. - Z1 non-theme Mow list + I2/Strakhov2 LegoS list.
The prime candidates for ADR swaps are: kommandos/Ashley for grievous, A&H for magic weapons, Orin for anti-magic, Bailoch for magic weapons and general awesomeness. Not much, but everything else we have in themes already, so no reason to go ADR for it. Given the above selection non-theme list should specialize on beating Hordes and Cryx.
Doomies sadly are shelf troops right now.
I'd go with: (Zerkova 1) Koldun Kommander Aleksandra Zerkova [+28] - Destroyer [14] - Destroyer [14] Man-O-War Drakhun [9] Man-O-War Kovnik [5] Man-O-War Kovnik [5] Ragman [4] Iron Fang Uhlans (min) [12] Man-O-War Shocktroopers (max) [16] - Man-o-War Shocktrooper Officer [4] Man-O-War Shocktroopers (max) [16] - Man-o-War Shocktrooper Officer [4] ADR swap Uhlans for: -A&H&V for fleet -Ashley+Bailoch for Hordes -min Kommandos+flamer for when you really need grievous, Doomie3/unkillable cats, etc -Bailoch+Orin for when you need to keep mows safe from magic or Uhlans get shoot away. Menoth or Cygnar with Rebuke, maybe?
Second list is stock I2/Strakhov2 LegoS. ADR swaps can be 2x Uhlans into 1x Fangs + 1x Black dragons depending on how likely Uhlans are to be shot off the board.
The other way would be: Khador Army - 75 / 75 points (Irusk 2) Supreme Kommandant Irusk [+27] - Behemoth [25] Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich [4] Man-O-War Kovnik [5] Iron Fang Pikemen (max) [15] - Iron Fang Pikemen Officer & Standard [4] Man-O-War Shocktroopers (max) [16] - Man-o-War Shocktrooper Officer [4] Winter Guard Rifle Corps (max) [13] - Winter Guard Rocketeer (3) [6] Widowmaker Scouts [8]
The swaps are: - widowmakers for A&H for fleet - Fangs for big Kommandos+flamer for fleet or when lots of grievous needed - widowmakers for Ashley for generic Hordes - widowmakers for Reinholdt+Ragman for stealth battlegroup (shadow pack, prowled heavies, etc.)
Second list would be Z1 LegoS with Conquest. Again Uhlans/pikemen swaps.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Aug 25, 2017 7:06:40 GMT
The problem with ADR and themes is that you have to mantain exact point values for free models when you swap things which renders the whole ADR thing moot. I've had a re-read of the rules in SR17, and I don't think it's as restrictive as you seem to be implying. It looks like you just make your list using you specialists as normal, then check points for solos etc to ensure you still have a legal list with regards to free points and the like. Cheers, Dave
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