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Post by tiberius on Aug 17, 2017 12:45:01 GMT
So I am heading to a small masters tournament coming up next month. Our ADR casters are Bane Witch Agathea, Mortenebra Numen of Necrogenesis, Goreshade the Bastard, and Asphyxious the Hellbringer.
I am thinking of taking the following pairing, though I am not sure they are different enough. All of our theme lists are dude spam now, even infernal machines.
Mortenebra Numen of Necrogenesis (Infernal Machines - 75 pts) - Deathjack - Stalker - Stalker - Scavenger - Scavenger - Ripjaw Warwitch (free from theme) Machine Wraith Max Mechanithralls + 2 Brutes (its all I own) Soul Hunters (max) Bile Thralls (min) + Skarlock Commander (free from theme)
Thoughts here are I would love to get a sepulcher and a necrosurgeon in here and really do a recursion boat. this is my warmachine drop of the pairing and I need it to crack armor and handle some dude spam. I could drop biles and move the skarlock commander to the mechanithralls, and drop deathjack and maybe a scavenger or the soul hunters, though I really like deathjack with locomotion.
I expect to go up against Khador, trolls, circle, Skorne and maybe protectorate.
The other list I am considering is: Asphyxious the Hellbringer (Dark Host) - Vociferon - Cankerworm - Ripjaw - Desecrator - Shrike Bane Lord Tartarus (free from theme) Darragh Wrathe Machine Wraith Soul Trapper Bane Knights (max) Bane Riders (max) Bane warriors (max) + UA (free from theme)
I would be okay with dropping wrathe and the desecrator and the riders for something like a kraken. Or something that gets more use out of the field marshall unyielding.
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Post by far2casual on Aug 17, 2017 14:04:40 GMT
I think I would go for the traditional Ghost Fleet + Dark Host pair. Agathia makes for a pretty decent Ghost Fleet caster. She has access to Parasite if you need something big to die. Her feat will deliver your army. conflictchamber.com/#c4201b_-0BbY1kd-d-d-i22E2ki5hZh_bB___-0gf_19193b1v2DhC2t2a23203g203g203gbBCryx Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Ghost Fleet (Agathia 1) Bane Witch Agathia [+29] - Deathripper [6] - Deathripper [6] - Scavenger [7] - Slayer [10] Captain Rengrave [0(5)] Hellslinger Phantom [0(7)] Pistol Wraith [0(5)] Blackbane's Ghost Raiders (min) [11] Revenant Cannon Crew [4] Revenant Crew of the Atramentous (min) [9] - Revenant Crew Rifleman (3) [6] Revenant Crew of the Atramentous (min) [9] - Revenant Crew Rifleman (3) [6] Revenant Crew of the Atramentous (min) [9] - Revenant Crew Rifleman (3) [6] Wraith Engine [15] And then Asphy3 will make a pretty good Dark Host caster. Inflictors + Unyielding + Darragh are tough to kill, and Dark Shround will make up for their POW16. And then Bane Knights under Cloak of Ash look pretty fun to play with. Cryx Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Dark Host (Asphyxious 3) Asphyxious the Hellbringer [+24] - Cankerworm [9] - Inflictor [13] - Inflictor [13] - Inflictor [13] Bane Lord Tartarus [0(6)] Darragh Wrathe [9] Machine Wraith [2] Bane Knights (max) [15] Bane Warriors (min) [10] - Bane Warrior Officer & Standard [0(5)] Wraith Engine [15] |
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Post by npe on Aug 17, 2017 15:52:38 GMT
Thrall potpourri and the sepulcher + 2 necrosurgeons is great. Definitely keep a min unit of biles around (behind the sepulcher with Morty). When you need them they're invaluable (shoot through the sepulcher to clear jams!).
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Post by tiberius on Aug 17, 2017 20:25:02 GMT
Thanks for the advice, my ghost fleet would only have 2 min units of revenents and 2 total riflemen as that is all I own there. I have done Denny 1 ghost fleet last time and it performed well enough. I would definitely need practice with agathea if I went that route.
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Post by Grimolf on Aug 19, 2017 16:13:05 GMT
I understand the Champions format (playing casters off ADR), but I'd really struggle to take the ADR casters to a Masters format event. What would you take as your Specialists for the ADR casters? What would you swap out, in your lists? I think it might be easier to come up with a list of Specialist points in Infernal Machines since it is more flexible than Ghost Fleet and Dark Host.
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Post by tiberius on Aug 19, 2017 19:02:40 GMT
I completely forgot about specialists, how many points are permitted. You are right, the thrall engine would be much more versatile. Swap out biles and soul hunters if I am up against something jack heavy and put in a sepulcher and necrosurgeon, something like that.
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Post by tiberius on Aug 21, 2017 11:01:59 GMT
I tried out the Morty2 list I called out above yesterday against a Reznik 1 with all the warjacks list and while I got the alpha strike and removed the avatar pretty trivially, after my feat was spent and lost deathjack in the reprisal, I had a lot of trouble with armor. The battle engine decimated my mechanithralls. The biles were no good against a list with no viable targets. Reznik and the book kept my casting out of it. I need to think about better consistent armor cracking.
So retooling the list:
Mortenebra Numen of Necrogenesis
- Sepulcher
- Stalker x 2
- Ripjaw
- Inflictor
Machine Wraith
Mechanithralls (max)
- 2 x Brutes
Bile Thralls
Necrosurgeon
I am also considering making asphyxious 3 the caster for my infernal machines list and putting the in birds. That sounds fun with ashen veil. And letting Morty 2 run the banes.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Aug 21, 2017 11:10:13 GMT
I tried out the Morty2 list I called out above yesterday against a Reznik 1 with all the warjacks list and while I got the alpha strike and removed the avatar pretty trivially, after my feat was spent and lost deathjack in the reprisal, I had a lot of trouble with armor. The battle engine decimated my mechanithralls. The biles were no good against a list with no viable targets. Reznik and the book kept my casting out of it. I need to think about better consistent armor cracking. So retooling the list: Mortenebra Numen of Necrogenesis - Sepulcher - Stalker x 2 - Ripjaw - Inflictor Machine Wraith Mechanithralls (max) - 2 x Brutes Bile Thralls Necrosurgeon I am also considering making asphyxious 3 the caster for my infernal machines list and putting the in birds. That sounds fun with ashen veil. And letting Morty 2 run the banes. Since you're ditching Deathjack from Morty anyway and are looking for more armour cracking, I'm thinking Dark Host might be the way to go. Banes loves Spellpiercer. |
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Post by tiberius on Aug 21, 2017 14:36:10 GMT
I was considering that as well, and making asphyxious 3 the infernal machine caster. I will have to play around with that.
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Post by npe on Aug 21, 2017 21:17:19 GMT
I tried out the Morty2 list I called out above yesterday against a Reznik 1 with all the warjacks list and while I got the alpha strike and removed the avatar pretty trivially, after my feat was spent and lost deathjack in the reprisal, I had a lot of trouble with armor. The battle engine decimated my mechanithralls. The biles were no good against a list with no viable targets. Reznik and the book kept my casting out of it. I need to think about better consistent armor cracking. So retooling the list: Mortenebra Numen of Necrogenesis - Sepulcher - Stalker x 2 - Ripjaw - Inflictor Machine Wraith Mechanithralls (max) - 2 x Brutes Bile Thralls Necrosurgeon I am also considering making asphyxious 3 the caster for my infernal machines list and putting the in birds. That sounds fun with ashen veil. And letting Morty 2 run the banes. You might consider swapping the Stalkers out for Shrikes. Shrikes can trample into flanking position which can usually stop jams. I've tried all three (Stalkers, Scavengers and Shrikes) and eventually settled on Shrikes. |
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Post by tiberius on Aug 25, 2017 13:56:24 GMT
Yeah, I love shrikes, but I find it hard to fit them and the other stuff I want. I am on a stalker kick right now, though that is a definitely consideration.
Okay, I swapped my lists around:
Mortenebra Numen of Necrogenisis
- Ripjaw
- Desecrator
- Seether
- Reaper
- Stalker x 2
Bane Lord Tartarus (free)
Machine Wraith
Soul Trapper
Bane Knights Max
Bane Warriors Max + UA
And
Asphyxious the Hellbringer
- Vociferon
- Sepulcher
- Ripjaw x 2
- Cankerworm
necrotech x 2
soul trapper
Machanithralls (max) + 2 brutes
Bile Thralls (min)+ skarlock commander
necrosurgeon (free)
Carrion Thralls (max)
Thoughts are that gaspy3 will have a nice recursion engine going with mechanithralls screening the sepulcher and the necrosurgeon. The carrion thralls with ashen veil will run out front and jam. necrotechs follow the sepulcher and keep it running.
The morty2 list will be banes in your face, or pull stuff in with the reaper to be eaten by banes and seether. Pretty simple list.
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Post by tiberius on Sept 11, 2017 10:57:33 GMT
So using those lists above, I did fairly well at a small Masters tournament this past weekend, winning two and losing 1. My inexperience with 2017 scenario play cost me the one game.
First up was Mortenabra 2 vs Zerkova 1 with all the heavy warjacks and a couple of the two man unit eliminator dudes. He was dominating me on attrition and scenario until I found a charge lane to get a 1 armed seether onto zerkova. Locomotion for the win.
The second matchup was Asphyxious 3 vs Lylith 2 with all the ravagores. Asphyxious pretty much took out all three ravagores after the feat turn of Lylith's removed the sepulcher (or left it really low on health). It was a bloodbath on both sides and only mechanithrall recursion kept me up on attrition. It came down to lylith and 2 other solos (shepard and a spell martyr?) vs necrosurgeon, mechanithralls and gaspy when he won on scenario. Had I been smart I could have been contesting and scoring, instead of chasing him around the board. Lessons learned.
Last game was Khador again, Morty 2 vs Kozlov. My opponent basically handed me a scenario win by playing very conservatively. He was so afraid of stalker assassination that he kept three heavies base to base as a box around his caster with the dog behind so I couldn't jump in and feat assassinate him. Instead, I sat back on a flag and scored up the game. He ran his battle engine into my banes who promptly ate it (took a lot of resources from just how robust those are now, but worth it), and then he had a min unit of winterguard + rockets on each flank which my banes did out attrition and managed to control one of the two circle zones. But his conservative play with the barrier around his caster really cost him as while assassination could have been a possibility, threatening my with three additional heavies would have been tough for me to handle.
Overall fun time, I think I was 4th out of 12 people.
The next day was an unlikely allies event but not as many people participated. I was paired up with a troll player playing calandra and I had pskarre. Two great turd polishers and we pretty much ran over our opponents with armies that pretty much couldn't miss, were tough to hit and kill, and hit like a ton of bricks.
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