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Post by mikethefish on Aug 16, 2017 14:06:26 GMT
So I can't believe that I am about to suggest this...
I think that Rutger Shaw is going to become an almost auto-include with many of my casters - chief of which would be MacBain.
Have you looked at this guy lately? What I am saying, of course not, because nobody has. He's a 14/14 model with Tough and Iron Sentinel. He has a handcannon, and a magical Weapon Master sword - with Dual Attack. In Theme he gives a Warjack (Freebooter probably, but Talon would be good too) Flank and Shield Guard. Plus it's not an unreasonable option to take Taryn as one of your free Solo slots, and if you do that, then Rutger gives her Tough and in return, Taryn gives him Dodge.
I think he just became really really good in this theme.
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Post by Zeykk on Aug 16, 2017 14:34:31 GMT
mikethefish I actually like Shaw. I've been toying with him and his partner Taryn in my Ashlynn list for some funsies. I have enjoyed him, but I really wish he was a 1-2 inch reach with his sword rather than a .5. Seems like the rules has him armed with a dagger but the model shows something bigger lol. I'm really looking forward to the flank bonus with him, as I've been using his jack as a cheap shield guard up until now. And I do agree that he's much more viable under MacBain to keep him in the game another turn for his weapon master attacks. In my experience he has just high enough defense that he's pretty hard to remove.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 16, 2017 14:58:09 GMT
Just been toying out some list ideas (disclaimer: I don't own Idrians yet, and probably wont buy them for a while, otherwise they would be in my list)
Magnus 2 *28 - Sylys (free) - Renegade +10 - Renegade +10 - Mangler +15
Dirty Meg +3 - Freebooter Eiryss 1 (free) Orin (free) Ragman (free)
Nyss Hunters +19 Thorn Mages +9 Eliminators +5 Eliminators +5 Aiyana & Holt +8 Alexia 1 +10
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Post by isotope on Aug 16, 2017 15:27:35 GMT
Speaking of lists, these are what I'm lookin at. I own all of this except Ace.
Magnus the Warlord [+28] - Galleon [39] - Mangler [15] - Mangler [15] - Renegade [10] - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [0] Ogrun Bokur [0] Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor [0] Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15] - Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [0] Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8]
(Caine 3) Caine's Hellslingers [+20] - Galleon [39] - Mangler [15] - Mangler [15] - Ace [12] - Reinholdt, Gobber Speculator [4] Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios [0] Ogrun Bokur [0] Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor [0] Kayazy Eliminators [5] Kayazy Eliminators [5]
I think the 2 advance move manglers and 2 units of eliminators with caine3 really help him contest/jam the enemy long enough to get into a good position to feat. My Magnus2 list is pretty much the same as my old one besides swapping Gallant/Versh for a Galleon.
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Post by gobber on Aug 16, 2017 17:17:42 GMT
Speaking of lists, these are what I'm lookin at. I own all of this except Ace. Magnus the Warlord [+28] Ogrun Bokur [0] (Caine 3) Caine's Hellslingers [+20] Ogrun Bokur [0] Weirdly enough, the bokur is one of the few merc models not allowed in this theme.
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Post by isotope on Aug 16, 2017 17:29:27 GMT
Speaking of lists, these are what I'm lookin at. I own all of this except Ace. Magnus the Warlord [+28] Ogrun Bokur [0] (Caine 3) Caine's Hellslingers [+20] Ogrun Bokur [0] Weirdly enough, the bokur is one of the few merc models not allowed in this theme. We won't know until we see the actual theme in war room, even then it's going through CID.
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Post by mikethefish on Aug 16, 2017 17:41:09 GMT
Weirdly enough, the bokur is one of the few merc models not allowed in this theme. We won't know until we see the actual theme in war room, even then it's going through CID. Eventually yeah it'll make it through CID, just like all theme lists. But there no evidence that it's happening anytime soon. They specifically made a point of mentioning character solos, so I think we can count on that being the case. Plus, I mean the theme needs to have SOME restrictions, even if they are weak ones
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Post by isotope on Aug 16, 2017 17:47:09 GMT
We won't know until we see the actual theme in war room, even then it's going through CID. Eventually yeah it'll make it through CID, just like all theme lists. But there no evidence that it's happening anytime soon. They specifically made a point of mentioning character solos, so I think we can count on that being the case. Plus, I mean the theme needs to have SOME restrictions, even if they are weak ones They mentioned "ALL charcater solos" then in free points just said "small/medium solos" so who knows. There aren't that many non character solos and maybe it was just a mistake in the insider. I don't think the Bokur makes or breaks the theme so we'll just have to wait.
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Post by gedditoffme on Aug 18, 2017 4:39:36 GMT
So, is there a risk this will completely overshadow the pirates, hammerfall and resistance themes? Hard to imagine a better one for pirates, though maybe one with more infantry benefits. But irregulars is just so strong and will easily be the most diverse in the game in number of options...
Kingmaker of course has enough quirks to survive with trenchers and feugn death.
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Post by Lahn on Aug 18, 2017 5:01:31 GMT
So, is there a risk this will completely overshadow the pirates, hammerfall and resistance themes? Hard to imagine a better one for pirates, though maybe one with more infantry benefits. But irregulars is just so strong and will easily be the most diverse in the game in number of options... Kingmaker of course has enough quirks to survive with trenchers and feugn death. Hammerstrike - Yes. Ossrum likes him a free Eiryss1 and magic attacks that don't suck (Looking at you TAC). Durgen and Gorten hated Hammerstrike anyway. Dorf theme for Rhulic lovers only. Pirates/Resistance - How can we know until they are released? I'm seeing a lot of Shae, a Pirate theme could easily target Bart/Fiona. Ashlynn sucks anyway. Kingmakers - You covered that one.
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Post by crow on Aug 18, 2017 5:36:08 GMT
Rhulic with Ossrum I still think is viable... repo on the weapon crew and heavy jacks is AWESOME for dwarf jacks. As far as a few free solos go... I don't know. I still think there is an argument for Hammerstrike, though any hope I ever had of running just two pure rhulic lists is out the window... *sigh*
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Post by bernlad on Aug 18, 2017 9:09:51 GMT
If the irregular theme list really go live like this, I cant think of any reason not to use it.
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Post by mikethefish on Aug 18, 2017 11:49:20 GMT
Eventually yeah it'll make it through CID, just like all theme lists. But there no evidence that it's happening anytime soon. They specifically made a point of mentioning character solos, so I think we can count on that being the case. Plus, I mean the theme needs to have SOME restrictions, even if they are weak ones They mentioned "ALL charcater solos" then in free points just said "small/medium solos" so who knows. There aren't that many non character solos and maybe it was just a mistake in the insider. I don't think the Bokur makes or breaks the theme so we'll just have to wait. Just an FYI - Will Pagani just confirmed on Facebook that non-Character Solos are not allowed in this theme at all (Bokurs and River Raiders at the moment). He stated that the Characters Only restriction was definitely a conscious decision for the theme
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Post by isotope on Aug 18, 2017 12:04:07 GMT
They mentioned "ALL charcater solos" then in free points just said "small/medium solos" so who knows. There aren't that many non character solos and maybe it was just a mistake in the insider. I don't think the Bokur makes or breaks the theme so we'll just have to wait. Just an FYI - Will Pagani just confirmed on Facebook that non-Character Solos are not allowed in this theme at all (Bokurs and River Raiders at the moment). He stated that the Characters Only restriction was definitely a conscious decision for the theme I know. That was me asking him. It's totally stupid and this theme force is hot garbage now. The one glaring weakness of the theme is lack of affordable shield guards. Sure you can take an 11 point shield guard jack.... it's really cool in comparison to Grymkin getting 2 for 1 free shield guards in their theme or paying 7 points for 2 normally... I'll drop ossyan into anyone who drops this theme, knock down/stationary all your marshalled jacks and assassinate your caster who has 0-1 shield guards. GL with that shit lol. Thank god mercs is my "casual" faction. The thread in the general forums trying to say "themes are based of lore stuff more than mechanics" ... Firetrucking please. Explain to me how 99% of mercs are willing to work with each other but the ogrun and river raiders are like " naw, I'm not down with working with everyone else". I was excited about this theme until this was pointed out to me and now I'm moving on. I don't expect to be dropping mercs in a SR for a long, long time.
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Post by isotope on Aug 18, 2017 12:05:25 GMT
If the irregular theme list really go live like this, I cant think of any reason not to use it. No affordable shield guards. GL with that with every other merc player now getting a free eiryss 1.
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