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Post by dicebedamned on Mar 10, 2017 14:03:56 GMT
Hey all,
I really, really want to run Reznik 2; his model is totally badass and Reznik 1 was my first non bb caster.
But whenever I go to build lists for him, other than taking SoH, I draw a blank on what he wants to take.
Any chance of someone either writing up another one of the excellent tactia articles that have spawned of late?
Failing that, what do you guys take in your lists, what are you playing for, attrition, scenario, assassination?
Any help appreciated.
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Post by MessOfMinions on Mar 10, 2017 14:18:18 GMT
So from my experience playing a swag wagon, I've found that he can play pretty much however you need him too, my current list runs Madelyn Scourge Scantifier Templar Guardian Devout Two vassals Min choir Max idrians with ua A Wrack. It's basically just fort kick butt, with Madelyn and the Devout b2b with the man, meanwhile you upkeep lamentation and death March on the idrians, while casting spell piercer or arcing the flesh is weak. Shoot things til idrians die then kill things with heavies. Otherwise I know many people run double idrians (second unit isn't painted) and lose a heavy. But really he's super good and can even one round a colossal if he needs to (granted it was a kraken).
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Post by greytemplar on Mar 10, 2017 17:22:20 GMT
I like that name. Fort Kick-butt.
Basically you want to abuse Lamentation from a safe position. Madelyn and a Devout make Reznik about as close to unkillable as you can be. You are immune to melee from warriors(including warcasters/warlocks), non-magical shooting automatically misses, you have a shield guard for any magic guns, and you can't be targeted by spells. This lets you play very aggressively, especially into Hordes.
My current list is as follows,
Reznik2 -Madelyn -Devout -Scourge -Eye of Truth -Guardian
2 Wracks 3 Mechaniks Vassal min Choir 2 units of KE+UA
This is primarily a hordes drop because it hoses beasts, and living models in particular. Lamentation doubles the cost of Animi too, meaning many beasts either need their entire fury stack to cast their animus or often cannot cast it at all. Warlocks also generally don't appreciate it, many warlocks are Fury6, and have cost 2-3 spells they want to get out. Which become cost 4-6.
Flesh is Weak also really messes with living beasts. Especially any beast bricks. You can toss it out, and you only need to clip them to lock them down for a turn. While your jacks can safely get into threat range(which is 11-12" with boundless charge). This is why you want an Arc Node, which means a Guardian. To arc out Flesh is Weak, and occasionally boundless charge.
This list likes scenarios which force the action into the center. This concentrates the enemy force, making them more vulnerable to lamentation and Flesh is Weak. You basically use those elements to control and lock down the enemy so you can get the alpha strike with your heavies.
Eye of Truth is nice because, besides being a pow18+shield heavy, he also hands out blessed. So you don't need to put out spell-piercer as much, which gives more focus for boundless charge and flesh is weak.
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Post by proxy on Mar 10, 2017 17:22:25 GMT
I'm about to try a new list in theme. It feels a little weird not having idrians but there is so much meat with boundless charge and high pow melee attacks with reach. His feat will clear infantry with ease.
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Protectorate of Menoth - R2 v1.4 theme
Theme: The Creator's Might 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Servath Reznik, Wrath of Ages - WJ: +29 - Guardian - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15) - Scourge of Heresy - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14) - Indictor - PC: 15 - Templar - PC: 15 - Reckoner - PC: 16 - Crusader - PC: 10
Wrack (The Creator's Might) - 3 Wracks: 0 Vassal of Menoth - PC: 0 Vassal of Menoth - PC: 0
Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4 Visgoth Juviah Rhoven & Honor Guard - Rhoven, Gius & Cassian: 9 Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4
Posted wrong second list. Can't fix from the phone. Will get it adjusted.
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Post by Provengreil on Mar 12, 2017 12:41:50 GMT
Where to start? Avatar, most character jacks except HoJ, Most warjacks, most infantry except deliverers and zealots (MAT 9 vengeance errants are stronger than they might sound), and anything that supports the rest of what you took. I don't own scourge yet, but I've seen results with Blood of Martyrs and Avatar.
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Post by Firestarter on Mar 13, 2017 1:04:41 GMT
Here's a list that I built on the fly and has worked out pretty well with a few tweaks. It has been successful in both scenario and assassination runs.
Reznik 2 Madelyn Corbeau Scourge of Heresy Guardian Dervish Devout Covenant Wrack Kell Bailoch 2x Vassal 2x Allegiant of the Order of the Fist Nicia Choir (max) 2x Daughters of the Flame
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Post by dicebedamned on Mar 13, 2017 13:06:11 GMT
Thanks for the answers guys!
I was looking at maybe Croe's cutthroats alongside a unit of Iridians and Knights Exemplar.
Something like this:
Rez 2 Madelyn Devout, Scourge Guardian Kell Bailoch Saxon Orrick Wrack Iridians and UA Croe's Cutthroats Knights Exemplar
I like the idea of everything having pathfinder should I want it to. Croe's Cutthroats are not amazing or anything in this list, but between the Iridian's 'go to ground' and Croe's stealth, I feel it gives me a great attrition game (hide in the woods and pick away at stuff).
Thoughts?
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Post by Firestarter on Mar 13, 2017 18:46:22 GMT
It depends on your opponent. Stealth is not a problem for Convergence and woods are not a problem for Legion. Both of those factions have models that can pull you towards them while within 13-18". You don't have a choir. You may need to block shooting since your units are hiding and your jacks will be exposed. Try it out a couple of times before you make changes. See how you like it.
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Post by greytemplar on Mar 14, 2017 0:56:48 GMT
Yeah, not a fan on no choir. It can work if going for minimal jack lists, like a vindictus list with only 2 jacks, but otherwise you need choir. And no UA for the Knights Exemplar is also a mistake IMO.
I just don't think those Cutthroats are doing anything for you. Make them into a KE UA, choir, and maybe a Monk depending on how points hash out.
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Post by Provengreil on Mar 14, 2017 12:00:43 GMT
Yeah, not a fan on no choir. It can work if going for minimal jack lists, like a vindictus list with only 2 jacks, but otherwise you need choir. And no UA for the Knights Exemplar is also a mistake IMO. I just don't think those Cutthroats are doing anything for you. Make them into a KE UA, choir, and maybe a Monk depending on how points hash out. Personally, I think even 2 jacks vindictus should have a choir. On feat turn, your goal should be giving no targets at all, and infantry don't screen jacks.
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Post by dicebedamned on Mar 14, 2017 13:04:25 GMT
Whoops! I always forget the choir, it is such an auto include I often forget WarRoom does not automatically put it in for me!
Cheers guys.
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Post by greytemplar on Mar 14, 2017 16:40:16 GMT
Yeah, not a fan on no choir. It can work if going for minimal jack lists, like a vindictus list with only 2 jacks, but otherwise you need choir. And no UA for the Knights Exemplar is also a mistake IMO. I just don't think those Cutthroats are doing anything for you. Make them into a KE UA, choir, and maybe a Monk depending on how points hash out. Personally, I think even 2 jacks vindictus should have a choir. On feat turn, your goal should be giving no targets at all, and infantry don't screen jacks. Well, generally feat turn the Jacks are way too far back to get charged or shot at, but you are correct that I usually have choir in there anyway. Just saying thats about the only list I would consider not taking choir.
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Post by Provengreil on Mar 14, 2017 17:18:08 GMT
Personally, I think even 2 jacks vindictus should have a choir. On feat turn, your goal should be giving no targets at all, and infantry don't screen jacks. Well, generally feat turn the Jacks are way too far back to get charged or shot at, but you are correct that I usually have choir in there anyway. Just saying thats about the only list I would consider not taking choir. Anything with an AOE would thank you for doing so in a Vindictus matchup, they target the jacks and scatter from halfway...right into the infantry. I realize you, personally, understand this but this comment is for the benefit of anyone new to the faction wondering if they could skimp the choir (you really, really shouldn't).
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Post by proxy on Mar 16, 2017 12:23:38 GMT
Well, generally feat turn the Jacks are way too far back to get charged or shot at, but you are correct that I usually have choir in there anyway. Just saying thats about the only list I would consider not taking choir. Anything with an AOE would thank you for doing so in a Vindictus matchup, they target the jacks and scatter from halfway...right into the infantry. I realize you, personally, understand this but this comment is for the benefit of anyone new to the faction wondering if they could skimp the choir (you really, really shouldn't). This. I tried running no choir and it was a liability. I have more than we need attempt lost hordes of infantry to magic sprays and aoe spells.
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