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Post by misomiso on Aug 4, 2017 14:32:04 GMT
What Casters and jacks to people think is best with Legion of Steel?
The General Package for Legion of Steel is usually the same, however I don't what the best caster and jack choice is.
For example Irusk1 seems to want the Conquest, but it takes up so many points so which Iron Fans do we drop?
Strakhov likes to have Torch, but he is 18 points so do we downgrade the Blackdragons to normal Pikeman and only take one KovniK?
And are Melee ajcks better overall, or do we need firepower?
All Help appreciated.
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Post by Cirga on Aug 4, 2017 14:59:56 GMT
Strak2, Irusk2, and Zerkova1 are probably the 3 best Legion of steel casters. If you go with Irusk2 over Irusk1 you can easily fit in a conquest by dropping Markov since Irusk2 already grants tactician. With Strakhov2 I'm currently going with a marauder and juggernaut, mostly to threaten huge bases with the possibility of a last stand marauder. I haven't tried Zerkova1 yet in LOS, but you could also fit a conquest with her by dropping 1 Kovnik, and going with 2 units of regular fangs instead of 1 regular and 1 black dragon.
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Post by auraco on Aug 4, 2017 16:06:22 GMT
Fill the minimum jack points with jack and then use the rest to take as many iron fang as you can, so juggy and maraudeur are your friends. Don't waste your time with Torch with Strakhov, it's not worth it. Don't cut solos to bring more jacks, the list is already so much faster than the jacks that you're jack won't be doing much before turn 3 or 4, so don't worry about them. My current jack loadout with Strakhov2 is kodiak & juggernaut, but that will probably change when Sofya hits the table for chrismas.
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Post by tesoe on Aug 4, 2017 16:13:29 GMT
Irusk2 actually makes a nice even 75 points with a conquest.
Theme: Legion of Steel 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Supreme Kommandant Irusk - WJ: +27 - Conquest - PC: 37 (Battlegroup Points Used: 27)
Iron Fang Kovnik - PC: 0 Iron Fang Kovnik - PC: 0
Black Dragons - Leader & 9 Grunts: 17 - Black Dragon Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 0 Iron Fang Pikemen - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Iron Fang Pikemen Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4 Iron Fang Uhlans - Leader & 4 Grunts: 20 Great Bears of the Gallowswood - Volkov, Kolsk, & Yarovich: 9
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Post by auraco on Aug 4, 2017 20:24:27 GMT
I'm curious, why conquest with Irusk2, it doesn't benefit from energizer, so it will be lagging behind the rest of the army, I'd suggest taking double destroyers or one destroyer and one decimator and then with these points, go grab markov. Two tactician bubble is great and Markov with countercharge is really good.
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Post by welshhoppo on Aug 4, 2017 20:44:31 GMT
Mostly because it makes a very good anchor for the line and its focus efficient because Irusk will probably be spending most of his focus every turn.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Aug 4, 2017 22:45:39 GMT
I believe there are 2 best setups:
One is to have a Colossal on one flank and up to 3 units of fangs/uhlans with Markov (all your infantry stuff) on the other. Casters like Z1 or I1 are good with it. You get all fang synergy concenrated on crushing one flank (and it's easy to protect them all with clouds/diff terrain) while Colossal holds down other one (and you have a great upkeep for him in form of watcher/superiority).
Other is to have 2 fang units+Kovnik on one flank and Uhlans+Bears+Markov+Kovnik on the other and take 2 supporting jacks like Destroyer/Devastator/Kodiak/Demolisher/Decimator. Uhlans protected by countercharges are very hard to deal with. I2 is very good at this because he can have his own tactician bubble for those 2 fang units so Markov doesn't have to run around like crazy giving orders. Also Strakhov2 and Vlad2 because they can buff Uhlans enough to crush a flank.
Melee jacks are generally to be avoided, none of those casters like to use their focus for fueling and speeding up melee jacks. They want either to pour it into infantry like I1/I2/V2/S2 or sling spells like Z1. Primary use for jacks should be shooting support away or making power attacks to set up targets for fang charges. Clams can trample/run for backline and start blowing up support.
Example lists would be: (Irusk 1) Kommandant Irusk [+27] - Conquest [37] Iron Fang Kovnik [0(4)] Uhlan Kovnik Markov [7] Great Bears of the Gallowswood [9] Iron Fang Pikemen (max) [15] - Iron Fang Pikemen Officer & Standard [0(4)] Iron Fang Pikemen (max) [15] - Iron Fang Pikemen Officer & Standard [0(4)] Iron Fang Pikemen (max) [15] - Iron Fang Pikemen Officer & Standard [4]
Can drop Bears to switch fangs for Black dragons or Uhlans or take mechanics, etc.
(Irusk 2) Supreme Kommandant Irusk [+27] - Demolisher [16] - Demolisher [16] Iron Fang Kovnik [0(4)] Iron Fang Kovnik [0(4)] Uhlan Kovnik Markov [7] Great Bears of the Gallowswood [9] Iron Fang Pikemen (max) [15] - Iron Fang Pikemen Officer & Standard [0(4)] Iron Fang Pikemen (max) [15] - Iron Fang Pikemen Officer & Standard [4] Iron Fang Uhlans (max) [20]
Fangs are interchangeable with Black Dragons or even with more Uhlans with some solo/jack switching around.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Aug 5, 2017 0:40:49 GMT
I'm curious, why conquest with Irusk2, it doesn't benefit from energizer, so it will be lagging behind the rest of the army, I'd suggest taking double destroyers or one destroyer and one decimator and then with these points, go grab markov. Two tactician bubble is great and Markov with countercharge is really good. FFE on either of our colossals is just balls good!
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Post by auraco on Aug 5, 2017 0:59:58 GMT
I'm curious, why conquest with Irusk2, it doesn't benefit from energizer, so it will be lagging behind the rest of the army, I'd suggest taking double destroyers or one destroyer and one decimator and then with these points, go grab markov. Two tactician bubble is great and Markov with countercharge is really good. FFE on either of our colossals is just balls good! Yup I know that, but how many target will the conquest really have when it's a spd 4 model in a melee army composed of spd 8 models, and spd 6 models with advance move. In my strakhov2 list I don't seem to have unengaged targets for long since the army is all melee and wants to go as deep as they can to get most work done. I've never actually tryed the conquest in legion of steel so I might be overanalysing the theory here.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Aug 5, 2017 1:18:33 GMT
Well then what you're saying is leave jacks home in LOS. No? Here, run Turn 1, then walk 4 and start doing your gun platform thing. If your playing Connie you're shooting at stuff 7+8+4+15 = 34" back. And you can put creeping baragges on top of your troops so if the enemy engages they take pow 10s. Isn't that good?
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Post by auraco on Aug 5, 2017 2:59:35 GMT
I'd need to try LoS with Irusk2 to test it, I've been runing it with Strakhov2 so far, and the jacks have been mostly useless so far. I was running with Kodiak Juggy, but they might get downgraded when Sofya comes out, if I downgrade the jacks and switch one of the black dragon unit for a regular unit I'm pretty sure I can get sofya without losing any of the countercharging solo that make the list what it is.
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Post by Blargaliscious on Aug 5, 2017 3:34:05 GMT
What Casters and jacks to people think is best with Legion of Steel? [SNIP] (Sound of hounds barking in the distance.)Hey, I don't have much time because some Dobermans just came out nowhere and are chasing me, but have you guys ever considered trying Vlad3 in a Legion of Steel theme army? Whether it works well or not, you gotta admit it would look pretty cool on the tabletop!
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Post by welshhoppo on Aug 5, 2017 7:36:32 GMT
What Casters and jacks to people think is best with Legion of Steel? [SNIP] (Sound of hounds barking in the distance.)Hey, I don't have much time because some Dobermans just came out nowhere and are chasing me, but have you guys ever considered trying Vlad3 in a Legion of Steel theme army? Whether it works well or not, you gotta admit it would look pretty cool on the tabletop! We have a Vlad3?
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Post by Blargaliscious on Aug 5, 2017 14:09:53 GMT
(Sound of hounds barking in the distance.)Hey, I don't have much time because some Dobermans just came out nowhere and are chasing me, but have you guys ever considered trying Vlad3 in a Legion of Steel theme army? Whether it works well or not, you gotta admit it would look pretty cool on the tabletop! We have a Vlad3? Don't you have a Butcher2 / Jaws of the Wolf army list you were working on?
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Post by welshhoppo on Aug 5, 2017 14:30:50 GMT
Don't you have a Butcher2 / Jaws of the Wolf army list you were working on? You mean my 100% win record jaws of the wolf B2 that I had to stop playing because all my meta complained? Yeah I do actually.
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