Khador and ADR

cap7n
Demo Gamer

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Khador and ADR Aug 1, 2017 16:26:05 GMT

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Post by cap7n on Aug 1, 2017 16:26:05 GMT

So playing in steamroller at end of the month. 2017 Masters with ADR, 2 list. Pretty sure I have settled on Strak 2 in LoS and Irusk 2 in Jaws.

So question is, is it worth it to run ADR and not have access to RFP and limited magic weapons? Or should I run out of ADR to bring B3?

Also, if I do run ADR, what specialist yall recommend?

Here are my lists. Thanks all.

----War Room Army

Khador - Irusk 2

Theme: Jaws of the Wolf

2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army

Supreme Kommandant Irusk - WJ: +27

- Behemoth - PC: 25 (Battlegroup Points Used: 25)

- Devastator - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 2)

Greylord Forge Seer - PC: 0

- Destroyer - PC: 14

Greylord Forge Seer - PC: 4

Widowmaker Marksman - PC: 4

Kayazy Assassins - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15

- Kayazy Assassin Underboss - PC: 0

Kayazy Assassins - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9

- Kayazy Assassin Underboss - PC: 4

Kayazy Eliminators - Leader & Grunt: 5

Widowmaker Scouts - Leader & 3 Grunts: 8

THEME: Jaws of the Wolf

----War Room Army

Khador - To many spears

Theme: Legion of Steel

3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army

Assault Kommander Strakhov & Kommandos - WJ: +22

- Assault Kommander Strakhov & Kommandos (Cont.)

- Conquest - PC: 37 (Battlegroup Points Used: 22)

Uhlan Kovnik Markov - PC: 7

Iron Fang Kovnik - PC: 0

Iron Fang Pikemen - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15

- Iron Fang Pikemen Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 0

Black Dragons - Leader & 9 Grunts: 17

- Black Dragon Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 0

Iron Fang Uhlans - Leader & 2 Grunts: 12

Great Bears of the Gallowswood - Volkov, Kolsk, & Yarovich: 9

THEME: Legion of Steel

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GENERATED : 08/01/2017 12:22:47

BUILD ID : 2047.17-07-25

kaos Junior Strategist Posts: 268	Khador and ADR Aug 1, 2017 18:12:50 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by kaos on Aug 1, 2017 18:12:50 GMT If you're running themes adr looks quite useless since your specialist selection is so limited isn't probably worth it. If you run outside theme makes more sense.

smoothcriminal
The Sky Fell

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Khador and ADR Aug 1, 2017 23:43:19 GMT

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Post by smoothcriminal on Aug 1, 2017 23:43:19 GMT

ADR in Khador themes until mercs are allowed isn't worth it I think.
There are 2 big problems:
- no models to switch for
- amount of bonus points has to stay the same, so you can't switch infantry for jacks for example
If you want flexibility of ADR one list has to be out of theme.

Also what's the second forge Seer for in I2 list? 1 is enough to power Behemoth while Irusk puts FoF on Destroyer.

Last Edit: Aug 1, 2017 23:44:13 GMT by smoothcriminal

sand20go
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Khador and ADR Aug 1, 2017 23:48:32 GMT

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Post by sand20go on Aug 1, 2017 23:48:32 GMT

Aug 1, 2017 18:12:50 GMT kaos said:

If you're running themes adr looks quite useless since your specialist selection is so limited isn't probably worth it.

If you run outside theme makes more sense.

Hmmmm......

Maybe (or I may completely wiff ADR 101 since our Meta so very rarely plays it). I can think of 2 things.

1. One critical variant in Jaws is the ability to take an all stealth front line.

So lets say you are matched up with an opponents who has in their "armor cracking" various anti-stealth hate that can bypass Irusk2's defensive tech (I am thinking here of venom sprays or electroleaps but there surely are others of note). So Kayazy and manhunters and yuri would be "meh". Indeed, they arguable draw MORE fire based on the "might as well shoot at THEM rather than ARM 20 Juggers" thinking.

But in other cases your opponent could be SOL. They only have blast to try to get at those guys and dread the idea of your stealthy front line, under battle lust, going to town.

So in your Irusk list could you not swap out 37 points of stealth for a Conquest? If they have stealth hate you now ask whether they can take on the Conquest. Doesn't get Energize but that is a big swing in how the list would play. Or go 3 juggers for 36. You will need to juggle your points to be sure you have the right corresponding swap but I think it works.

Your claws list is harder but arguably you could go, for example, swap out the Conquest for destroyer Maurader and a second unit of Uhlans (I can't remember if you have to match up things EXACTLY or if you can drop a point to make things add up).

I think both of those ADR specialist match ups increase your flexibility. You will have to play to dodge ghost fleet (RFP being so critically important) but you will be solid/very solid into a lot of matchups.

Post by cap7n on Aug 1, 2017 16:26:05 GMT

Post by kaos on Aug 1, 2017 18:12:50 GMT

Post by smoothcriminal on Aug 1, 2017 23:43:19 GMT

Post by sand20go on Aug 1, 2017 23:48:32 GMT