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Post by sand20go on Jul 30, 2017 5:09:46 GMT
As someone recently pointed out, a HUGE advantage for sorscha2 (especially if you can find a wall) is that Shatterstorm triggers on Boxed...which means no corpse tokens...which means VERY sad Grymkin if they are not playing in the theme where the they get the corspe tokens on the dreadrots. Add in its obvious wonderful ulitity into Ghost fleet and, well, things get VERY interesting.
One thing we can soon do with the upcoming solo that will be in the NQ is give Sorsha2 puppet strings. Why (you ask)? Because we can also bring reinholdt. That would allow us to reroll our boosted attack rool with Sorscha2 HERSELF TWICE to try to fish for criticals on our boosted attack roll....which would then translate into some SERIOUS murdering on her feat turn.
I think I will bring her back out. I figure that at our next SR I will see multiple Grymkin and shatterstorm sounds like some great utility.
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Post by Netherby on Jul 30, 2017 5:17:17 GMT
They can just park their troops close enough together in pairs that the Shatter AoE kills the second one and they get 1 corpse out of every 2  |
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Post by sand20go on Jul 30, 2017 5:34:51 GMT
They can just park their troops close enough together in pairs that the Shatter AoE kills the second one and they get 1 corpse out of every 2 That is an AWFUL strategy (it seems). Lets say you trigger shaterstorm and he now gets the corspe. ARM goes from 14 to 16. YOu would 9s on the rest to provide a corspe. Meanwhile you are RFP'ing. I will take those odds. |
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Post by smoothcriminal on Jul 30, 2017 21:25:22 GMT
It's ironic how after the year of mk3 we come back to B3+S2 being the pairing to solve meta. If she still had the freeze spell it would even probably be best our pairing.
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Post by Netherby on Jul 30, 2017 22:23:54 GMT
Nah, S2 isn't going to come back. She has too many weaknesses currently.
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Post by utilitycookie on Jul 31, 2017 16:00:41 GMT
As someone recently pointed out, a HUGE advantage for sorscha2 (especially if you can find a wall) is that Shatterstorm triggers on Boxed...which means no corpse tokens...which means VERY sad Grymkin if they are not playing in the theme where the they get the corspe tokens on the dreadrots. Add in its obvious wonderful ulitity into Ghost fleet and, well, things get VERY interesting. One thing we can soon do with the upcoming solo that will be in the NQ is give Sorsha2 puppet strings. Why (you ask)? Because we can also bring reinholdt. That would allow us to reroll our boosted attack rool with Sorscha2 HERSELF TWICE to try to fish for criticals on our boosted attack roll....which would then translate into some SERIOUS murdering on her feat turn. I think I will bring her back out. I figure that at our next SR I will see multiple Grymkin and shatterstorm sounds like some great utility. Just here to share my insight as both a khador and recent grymkin player. There is no tier where dreadrots start with corpsetokens, the tier gives it to the heavies and the wagon. Corpsetokens are a thing on the heavies, on infantry not so much. Sure shatterstorm helps in denying corpsetokens, but against most lists probably not relevant. The arcana are what makes or breaks the games against grymkin. Learning to play around those will win you games. Shatterstorm, chain Lightning, ashes to ashes are all equally relevant, they remove infantry. The corpse part on shatterstorm is funny, sometimes relevant, most of the time not. Just my 2 cents. |
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Post by Sand20 on Jul 31, 2017 16:57:53 GMT
Nope. Reread your advam at ge for dark menagerie. Infantry that can have toe s (aka dread rots) start with one which allows your battle engine to take them off and load up skin and moans full for the plus 3 armor and strenght. Why electoleaps, shatterstorn and other non attack kills matter is that corpse tokens occur on desttormyed and nit boxed or disabled
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Post by sand20go on Jul 31, 2017 17:02:20 GMT
And why corpse tolens are critical is because they tune the jacks and the battle engine to an 11. If you can reduce the number it shift the gam tremendously. Now should you be smart about arcana? Absolutely but it is doubtfull you will not trigger them in normal play....what you do want to do is think through your turn so they trigger only after you do what you want (eg. Not allow the stealth to be triggered until you kill everything outside of command and then the most important target in command bubble )
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Post by shroomvolcano on Jul 31, 2017 17:07:36 GMT
Nope. Reread your advam at ge for dark menagerie. Infantry that can have toe s (aka dread rots) start with one which allows your battle engine to take them off and load up skin and moans full for the plus 3 armor and strenght. Why electoleaps, shatterstorn and other non attack kills matter is that corpse tokens occur on desttormyed and nit boxed or disabled It's non-trooper models that start with a Corpse token. |
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Post by sand20go on Jul 31, 2017 17:16:29 GMT
Thanks. So the battle engine and heavies would all start with one. But if you shatterstart the dread rots that should be it. Still seems very useful in denying corpses.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Jul 31, 2017 17:32:20 GMT
Grymkin and Cryx care about corpses.
Menoth and Skorne care about souls.
Krielstone and artillery also hates being RFPed, and there should be more units like that.
I may be missing something else.
That's a big chunk of meta where RFP is relevant, Grymkins aren't the only reason to bring it.
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Post by utilitycookie on Jul 31, 2017 17:44:47 GMT
I am not denying it helps in denying corpses tokens. Just saying it is not all that relevant.
Is this based on theory or have u actually played again them?
Currently I have played 10+ games with them against varied levels of Players.
The heretic for example in a bump in the night list does not care about gathering corpses. Would love to play against sorcha2 with that list. Command is big enough to fit the entire army to trigger stealth. 13,5 inch threat from 2 ambushing murder crows forces you to play in the centre so will deny a flanking shatterstorm unit.
If you want to rfp i would fear butcher3 a lot more with silence of death and a GC for example.
Not trying to bash, just trying to help in making a beter pairing.
Cheers
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Post by leotherat on Jul 31, 2017 18:12:54 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong but, shatterstorm only removes the model directly hit. So while you may deny your opponent that one body/soul token the AoE will still grant them if you destroy the other models.
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Post by sand20go on Jul 31, 2017 20:50:21 GMT
Played three games into it. Hertic bump wouldon't care that much but at least now you have that list. If bump going to be hard to get corpse on BE so drifting blasts from behemoth blasts can kill dreads and slays....which are going to be bunched up. Course BE can not get stealth so you could just shoot at that if he trigger the trump. At speed 5, reach 2 you outhreat stealth stuff with desperate pace. Double crows suck but is what it is and will impact a lot of matchups and nit just sorscha....Plus crows depending on situation may be outside BE when they die.
That said I would agree we are likely to see a lot of the heretic and perhaps the wanderer given how powerful starcrossed can be...especially with Def 13 beasts
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Post by The Huntsman on Aug 1, 2017 6:49:56 GMT
Played three games into it. Hertic bump wouldon't care that much but at least now you have that list. If bump going to be hard to get corpse on BE so drifting blasts from behemoth blasts can kill dreads and slays....which are going to be bunched up. Course BE can not get stealth so you could just shoot at that if he trigger the trump. Battle engines can gain stealth. |
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