faelin
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Post by faelin on Jul 29, 2017 21:32:30 GMT
Hello everyone. I was hoping that I could get a few questions answered in regard to a some legion models I've had my eyes on.
P.s. sorry for the typos. Autocorrect on this phone sucks!
1. I love the look of the Afflictor. Reminds me of Mutalisks. Do they have any place in lists?
2. Wasps? Seem too pillow fisted to find their way into lists.
3. Succubus? Seems like the only thing it brings to the table is upkeep ability. Everything else is short range enough to put it into danger. How often is she used?
4. Spawning vessel? Worth it? Seems iffy.
5. Bethayne seems unique, but not necessarily 'good' am I reading her wrong? Or is she a middle to lower middle their caster?
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Post by althor on Jul 29, 2017 22:05:46 GMT
1. not that much. a filler for 6 points in some lists
2. dreadful with Absy2, very good with fyanna
3. the cloud is very helpful to provide concealment to your caster, or to block LoS. I Use it 8 games out of 10
4. I don't use it very much, but maybe in a near future.
5. I like Bethayne, for casual games. I never really succeeded very well though. She has good possibilities, I just failed with her.
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Post by Falcen on Jul 29, 2017 22:07:29 GMT
1. I love the look of the Afflictor. Reminds me of Mutalisks. Do they have any place in lists? 2. Wasps? Seem too pillow fisted to find their way into lists. 3. Succubus? Seems like the only thing it brings to the table is upkeep ability. Everything else is short range enough to put it into danger. How often is she used? 4. Spawning vessel? Worth it? Seems iffy. 5. Bethayne seems unique, but not necessarily 'good' am I reading her wrong? Or is she a middle to lower middle their caster? 1. No, just for funsies at best. 2. For their points they have good dmg output if combined with fitting casters, their true problem imho is that they die like average infantry and there's way to much anti-infantry tec out there. 3. Her upkeep ability is all she needs to justify her point cost, everything else is just icing on the cake. 4. Is meh. 5. Can't say I have any experience with her. During early MK3 months some people tried to make her work as an anti-ARM 'lock but that didn't work very well and er lists died out again. |
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whydak
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Post by whydak on Jul 29, 2017 22:11:53 GMT
I would like to add some input to point 4.
Its far from must have but if you have infantry anyway its nice addition. I use it in Children of the Dragon theme Thagrosh1 list and its work well. With beast mistress its nice module with expandable models and good threat range of boostable attacks. Nothing great to anchor list but it works.
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Post by fdf86 on Jul 30, 2017 0:33:42 GMT
Know a guy who plays 2 units of Wasps with Abby2. With Alpha hunter and feat, the threat 16''. Just today during a game vs cryx, he cleared 15-16 Bane Warriors with his 2 units of wasps.
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Post by davycannonhound on Jul 30, 2017 4:02:55 GMT
1. Afflictors are good with Bethayne. Incubus + Feat
2. They're good with Abby2 and Thagrosh2
3. Succubus are amazing. I play them 9/10. Fyanna has 3 upkeep, she needs one. Lyllyth has low fury, and prowl. Succubus upkeeps a spell for her, and gives her concealment through a cloud.
4. You have to build for it specifically.
5. Bethayne is very unique. If you know how to use her, she's powerful. If not, then you'll lose. Definitely not a begginer-friendly caster.
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Post by redbaron89 on Jul 30, 2017 5:01:42 GMT
Bethayne is pretty solid in ravens theme. Bring double raiders, double raptors, an angelius and a few harriers. Throw in a few martyrs. Very solid vs. Massed infantry low arm lists.
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Post by cainuslupus on Jul 30, 2017 14:02:11 GMT
1. Not really...
2. Wasps are wonderful under Abby2, can be great with other casters. Last game I've killed 8/10 Forgeguard with one unit and chicken with another. They can easilly murder living heavies under Abby2 feat (8 Pow 13 attacks, 4 boosted, crit poison chance on everyone).
3. Great with certain casters, free with themes. What not to like?
4. They can probably do something if you have infantry and points for them...
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Post by Dan X on Aug 3, 2017 10:19:59 GMT
1. I love the look of the Afflictor. Reminds me of Mutalisks. Do they have any place in lists? I think if you have too many beasts - Afflicators are a good next beast. Who cares if they frenzy. Who cares if they get killed - they are good little speed bumps. vs Infantry they kill quite well, and vs Jacks they are flying slambots making your other jacks hit. They are OK. Problem is I think you need 2 of them to make stuff fit together, but if you take 2 of them you could take a nerpah instead - who is a proper fighting beast.2. Wasps? Seem too pillow fisted to find their way into lists. They die too easily I think. Their pillow fistedness is forgivable (they get to charge for free and can then spend 4 fury too) but wasps die to power 10 shooting about as easily as our weakest infantry. 3. Succubus? Seems like the only thing it brings to the table is upkeep ability. Everything else is short range enough to put it into danger. How often is she used? The cloud is very powerful. +2 Def to a thing - Naga is a good choice - because it gains stealth and can stand in front of your caster. But even +2 Def to a hellion or a Serpah makes it hard to hit.
4. Spawning vessel? Worth it? Seems iffy. In CotD these bring threat range to the table. move 6 spawn 3, Energiser 2, Charge 9, spray 6 25" threat. Sure it only a Rat4 power 10 spray, but if you can get a shepherd near by its fully boosted.5. Bethayne seems unique, but not necessarily 'good' am I reading her wrong? Or is she a middle to lower middle their caster? She's odd. Try her with 2 units of Raiders and Raptors, plus some Reach light warbeasts, and she can take colossals off the table. Forsaken are particular nasty too. PS12 Boosted with Flank 3 4D6+12, and 1 3D6+12 is pretty good. 17 damage to arm 20 is pretty easy. 25 if you disintergrated it first. I've only played it out of theme, with the BFS too. a 4 point arm swing is very good. Not played her since themes came out. Ravens would be my first choice - Raiders are very good with her, but CotD might be OK too. She really doesn't like things with high arm and spell ward. Ruin, MonkeyWold. |
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