Ganso
Junior Strategist
Posts: 932
|
Post by Ganso on Jul 16, 2017 5:20:42 GMT
According to Jay from Chain Attack, the Greylord/Reaver Theme will give the obligatory free CAs and Apparition to Greylords (don't know if this would apply to Doomies)
Linky
|
|
|
Post by auraco on Jul 16, 2017 16:01:28 GMT
Greylord outriders with apparition are legit, as for the free attachement, does this mean only free attachement and not free solo? Because at the moment I think only doom reavers have attachement, unless valachev also qualifies.
|
|
|
Post by skathrex on Jul 16, 2017 17:10:30 GMT
Not going to lie. I am pretty exited for this.
|
|
|
Post by borderprince on Jul 16, 2017 17:14:52 GMT
Could be interesting, but I want something for the Reavers too (who don't need their attachment to be a good unit, unlike some units. They need a good delivery mechanism, which this doesn't really help with).
Also, Aftershock has some interesting possibilities for the theme. SPOILERS follow...
Still here? There will be SPOILERS...
Spoilers from here:
Strakhov gets hold of an alchemical formula. Apparently taking it generally leads to the death of the imbiber, but in two cases it has caused two very different effects. The first to take the potion obtained the intended effect and developed warcaster-like powers. That's probably not that interesting for us, as we already have casters. The second imbiber instead takes the serum and turns into a scary monster - effectively a werewolf potion. Irusk informs Strakhov that "the Greylords Covenant is already putting [it] to use", which gives potential for interesting directions for Greylords beyond more Orgoth stuff (although I would like more of that). Serum derived monstrous shock troops could give an interesting "weird-war" feel to the Covenant theme.
In terms of timing for the theme, Irusk goes on to say that if the Golden Crucible enter the Llaellese war (as post-L&L we know they will), "I'm certain we can employ the Greylords Covenant to discourage them", which might be setting up the Greylords theme as one to appear close to the Golden Crucible mini-faction.
|
|
|
Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jul 16, 2017 17:27:07 GMT
In terms of timing for the theme, Irusk goes on to say that if the Golden Crucible enter the Llaellese war (as post-L&L we know they will), "I'm certain we can employ the Greylords Covenant to discourage them", which might be setting up the Greylords theme as one to appear close to the Golden Crucible mini-faction. That's actually VERY badass. The Greylords I always felt where like Country bumpkins next to the more "Advanced" magics of the other factions. For them to be enough of a threat on their own to threaten the most advanced mages in the kingdoms..... Thats impressive. You can hate on Zerkova, but she will get results.
|
|
|
Post by Armchair Warrior on Jul 16, 2017 17:48:00 GMT
I'm excited about this announcement for a bunch of reasons.
1. We really need an occult theme. It will ask and answer so many questions for us in a 2 list pair. 2. I love graylords and doomreavers. I own *a lot* of doomreavers and they just sit collecting dust... Sad panda. 3. 2" apparition seems fun. 4. I suspect we'd get another doomreaver or graylord unit / solo out of it. 5. Putting this theme force into the CID will put all the graylord and doomreaver models into the CID as well. That's...awesome. 6. Maybe Maximus will work for us in theme, and we can take him as a free solo. Guy's gotta hope. 7. The CID process, by definition, will put into the CID process the models in the theme list. Some of them need-a-fixing. The doomreavers, for example, are too damn expensive. The attachment is useless, and needs some tinkering (let him grant "no knockdown" to doomreavers in his unit. Done). Man... what I wouldn't give to have the ternion get 5 boxes each!
|
|
kaos
Junior Strategist
Posts: 268
|
Post by kaos on Jul 16, 2017 18:48:43 GMT
It just dawned to me... Need to look at the wording but... Karchev with apparition looks entertaining.
|
|
wags
Junior Strategist
Posts: 102
|
Post by wags on Jul 16, 2017 18:50:40 GMT
I wouldn't hold your breath that this goes through a cid process. They've stated they want all models to have a theme by the end of the year. They have a lot of models to work through, it's doubtful there will be time for everything to be in cid.
|
|
|
Post by Armchair Warrior on Jul 16, 2017 18:54:17 GMT
It just dawned to me... Need to look at the wording but... Karchev with apparition looks entertaining. Indeed, if it's not 'non war caster' it would apply to Karchev and Z1, but as printed not (?!?!) Z2 or her reaver guard.
|
|
|
Post by leotherat on Jul 16, 2017 19:07:51 GMT
Z2 has that she is a greylord on her card.
|
|
kaos
Junior Strategist
Posts: 268
|
Post by kaos on Jul 16, 2017 19:08:23 GMT
It just dawned to me... Need to look at the wording but... Karchev with apparition looks entertaining. Indeed, if it's not 'non war caster' it would apply to Karchev and Z1, but as printed not (?!?!) Z2 or her reaver guard. eh don't care about zerkova, karchev with 13" threat range look somewhat interesting. Also be could apparition put a sticky situation should the necessity arise.
|
|
|
Post by Armchair Warrior on Jul 16, 2017 23:31:09 GMT
Z2 has that she is a greylord on her card. You, sir, are correct! I was looking in the title (where it usually is) but indeed it's listed, which I guess they did to exclude the guardsman from being graylords too.
|
|
|
Post by borderprince on Jul 17, 2017 5:21:33 GMT
The Greylords I always felt where like Country bumpkins next to the more "Advanced" magics of the other factions. For them to be enough of a threat on their own to threaten the most advanced mages in the kingdoms..... Thats impressive. You can hate on Zerkova, but she will get results. Well the GC alchemist also dismisses the Greylords as bad alchemists, not great at mechanika and OK at ice magic. But the Greylords are much more than just mages. They're also spies and secret police. They may not have the advanced magical and alchemical skills, but they can find out your plans and deploy Khadoran state assets to block them, or sneak into your bedroom and freeze you. They're also large and fairly well-organised (albeit apparently riven with paranoia and some competing agendas, but all subordinated to Khador's interests). The Golden Crucible are an exiled group of alchemists and arcanists who were more individualistic. You don't necessarily need to be the most advanced arcane order to come out on top.
|
|
|
Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Jul 17, 2017 8:38:24 GMT
If apparition is passed on to units with a greylord attachment then this is great! If it's only the greylords themselves that get apparition it's still solid I think. Also depends on how apparition and rise work together I suppose..?
Cheers, Dave
|
|
|
Post by smoothcriminal on Jul 17, 2017 13:50:06 GMT
Let's assume it's something like: - for 25 pts of units you get free solo/ua - apparition for greylords - free upkeeps on turn 1 or something
What do we get out of it? Well, Z2 can play her gimmick list in theme now. I'd play Karchev in this theme if he gets apparition himself, kolduns have good synergy with jacks. Maybe a doomie spam list under one of Irusks, don't see it being better than LoS though. Any Vlad + 2x Outriders may be interesting infantry counter. And I just know I'll have to try OW1 again because apparition on whole army is very good and again be deeply disappointed because her kit sucks.
|
|