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Post by drakkenblut on Jul 16, 2017 6:06:01 GMT
That is the first Legion warbeast that has eyes. On the bright side, it has Finisher! One deathstalker, and the beast is a Weapon Master!
I am not dissapointed with dragon centaur cavalry, but Hellion Cavalry is the more logical next step. Theres your magically talented Nyss, here is your rideable spawn, connect the dots, as opposed to functionally mutate this more primitive race that you did not spend two centuries analysing.
We get Puppet master! Fish for crits! Now where do we have crits... Rhyas, Azrael, Nephilim Bolt Thrower (well, not such a great effect), Teraph for spreading fire, Nephilim Bloodseer, and Poison on Wasps, BB and Seraph. Nice.
About the Ogrun warlock and helper, I need to see full rules. If the hag is really Fury 5, I don't see her worth it.
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Post by Whiskie on Jul 16, 2017 6:19:29 GMT
The Ogrun cavalry are the new release that I'm most excited for personally. 8 boxes with ARM17 base is pretty much unheard of levels of resilience in Legion. They're the only Legion warrior models that actually survive shots from a Charger on average dice. Since they're Ogrun it makes sense to assume that they'll have Tough as well. Add in the Blightbringer's ARM aura and it might end up being relatively easy to deliver the Chosen to the opponent even if they have moderate amounts of boostable guns something that we haven't had access to since MK3 released!
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Post by drakkenblut on Jul 16, 2017 7:25:11 GMT
That Craelix thing does not look like solo hunter, primarily because that looks like an ordinary bow, nothing fancy like what Anyssa has. I'd say it is an anti infantry gimmick, similar to that Circle crossbow solo. Kill something in melee, move, shoot, another attack, move, shoot, repeat with other sword, (meaning it has to have Overtake, cleave, quick work and maybe some other specials like Swift Hunter), so in an ideal situation it could kill like 8 grunts, but in real games it would be far inferior to a pair of Deathstalkers, or even a single depending on point costs.
Seeing his face, I'd say it will likely have Abomination too.
Will buy, will not expect something game-breaking.
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Post by Lanz on Jul 16, 2017 7:37:36 GMT
That is the first Legion warbeast that has eyes. On the bright side, it has Finisher! One deathstalker, and the beast is a Weapon Master! I am not dissapointed with dragon centaur cavalry, but Hellion Cavalry is the more logical next step. Theres your magically talented Nyss, here is your rideable spawn, connect the dots, as opposed to functionally mutate this more primitive race that you did not spend two centuries analysing. We get Puppet master! Fish for crits! Now where do we have crits... Rhyas, Azrael, Nephilim Bolt Thrower (well, not such a great effect), Teraph for spreading fire, Nephilim Bloodseer, and Poison on Wasps, BB and Seraph. Nice. About the Ogrun warlock and helper, I need to see full rules. If the hag is really Fury 5, I don't see her worth it. I don't think it does have eyes, actually. While they're in the place eyes should be, they look like the normal round organs most dragonspawn have. That Craelix thing does not look like solo hunter, primarily because that looks like an ordinary bow, nothing fancy like what Anyssa has. I'd say it is an anti infantry gimmick, similar to that Circle crossbow solo. Kill something in melee, move, shoot, another attack, move, shoot, repeat with other sword, (meaning it has to have Overtake, cleave, quick work and maybe some other specials like Swift Hunter), so in an ideal situation it could kill like 8 grunts, but in real games it would be far inferior to a pair of Deathstalkers, or even a single depending on point costs. Seeing his face, I'd say it will likely have Abomination too. Will buy, will not expect something game-breaking. It reminds me of a gorgon, with the whole sword+bow combo, and I wonder if it will have special rules to 'petrify' foes.
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Post by drakkenblut on Jul 16, 2017 10:01:16 GMT
No, that is definitively an eye. Those cheek plates some beast have are never on the skull, they cover the area where jaws connect.
This thing may be a blighted animal, not a creature born of dragon blood or a Nephilim. This is a disturbing departure from Legion setting... First, Everblight reshapes Ogrun (having only a couple of years experience with them, and not in controlled setting as it was constant war, compare with couple of centuries of experimenting with blight on elves), and now blights wildlife to the level of beasts. I know EB is a blight artist/engineer/scientist, but this is going too fast.
Ogrun with draconic quadruped lower body, complete with tail, but untouched (apart from standard pallor, scales and horns) from waist up? Compare with Grotesques, how twisted did they become just for that pair of wings?
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Post by cainuslupus on Jul 16, 2017 11:43:00 GMT
The thing with Gladiators and Sumo is that they fought in arenas for sport. They weren't required to traverse battlefields, march across countries, or chase down escaping foes. They simply fought their opponent in a relatively small enclosed arena. I'm not saying their can't be obese characters in this game, just that it should be a rare occurrence. If a powerful sorcerer shows up that happens to be obese, like Rasheth, I'm sure they'd be welcomed into the army with open arms, I just don't think something like that is likely to happen very frequently, just like I find it odd that 99% of the current female model line has the same lanky body type. I do find it odd that there's more women fighting that look like Sorscha than there are women that look like Dirty Meg. As for theme force benefits what if they tried to increase survivability by giving all Ogrun 4+ tough? Pretty much this. As for theme benefits I would prefer +3 boxes. Unyielding is Kallus1 thing so our infantry sholdn't get it from theme.
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Post by gobber on Jul 16, 2017 21:30:06 GMT
About the Ogrun warlock and helper, I need to see full rules. If the hag is really Fury 5, I don't see her worth it. From Chain Attack's dev talk summary: "Anamag has a spell that is non upkeep, cost 3?, target unit give +3 strength. Fury 7 caster. An ogrun can kill something and then she can cast it again."
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Post by maximumhippo on Jul 17, 2017 4:22:09 GMT
No, that is definitively an eye. Those cheek plates some beast have are never on the skull, they cover the area where jaws connect. This thing may be a blighted animal, not a creature born of dragon blood or a Nephilim. This is a disturbing departure from Legion setting... First, Everblight reshapes Ogrun (having only a couple of years experience with them, and not in controlled setting as it was constant war, compare with couple of centuries of experimenting with blight on elves), and now blights wildlife to the level of beasts. I know EB is a blight artist/engineer/scientist, but this is going too fast. Ogrun with draconic quadruped lower body, complete with tail, but untouched (apart from standard pallor, scales and horns) from waist up? Compare with Grotesques, how twisted did they become just for that pair of wings? Per the keynote Golab is in fact a blighted vulture and not dragonspawn at all. He was Anamag's Pet before the blight and after. Not 100% of the conditions on his blighting if E had a direct hand in it or not. Still, I'm gonna say tossup on having eyeless or not. though probably not. Fun Fact Golab is a transliteration of the Polish word for Dove (the bird not the verb).
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Post by Lanz on Jul 17, 2017 6:26:57 GMT
No, that is definitively an eye. Those cheek plates some beast have are never on the skull, they cover the area where jaws connect. We'll see. If it's an eye, it's lidless, featureless, and has the puckered skin around it, all exactly like the side organs on a dragonspawn.
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Post by whydak on Jul 17, 2017 6:43:52 GMT
And for the heavy cav: Some centaur rule would be cool, Str modyficators affects pow of the Mount. Like thrown but for Mount. It would be strange if str bonuss would only affect 2 of 6 limbs.
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Post by unded on Jul 17, 2017 8:10:43 GMT
And for the heavy cav: Some centaur rule would be cool, Str modyficators affects pow of the Mount. Like thrown but for Mount. It would be strange if str bonuss would only affect 2 of 6 limbs. They didn't do this for soulhunters, can't see that they'd do it now for the Ogryn cav. -und_ed
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Post by copperflame on Jul 17, 2017 14:15:28 GMT
I think that's the heart of it. I'm guessing that blighted Ogrun don't live very long, on account of their axe-to-face culture, so, she could very well just be middle-to-late-middle aged, which I'd expect from someone who manipulates fate well enough to do it on the battlefield. Another thing to remember is that practical strength looks very different from Mr. Universe strength. Having some experience in both styles of strength training and having to work with a renal dialysis unit I can saw with a great amount of confidence that is crap. Not that you are crap, to be clear your not, but that idea is tantamount to crap. No one regardless of age or gender who participates in a functional strength program will end up looking like grannarag. You look like that eating blocks of cheese and doing literally shit all. And if she's 60 most likely she is not going to see 65 let alone being in a combat situation. ForEver_Blight is correct when he says "I would expect the female Ogrun to be just as strong and fierce as the males.". So did I. I was hoping for maybe a more maternal "mama bear" type since Orgun like protecting things so much. Something like Illaoi.... Would have been much more thematically and aesthetically appropriate IMO to lead "Hulking Brutes of muscle and bone" as the video hypes up. Not someone with Blood type: Pudding. She looks so out of place with the rest of the ogrun never mind the more lithe nyss. Although perhaps the story there going for is something like yeah I'm fat and old and hate it to and I'm following Everblight so he can revitalizing me so I could go back to the fearsome figure I was that could bring half crazed berserking mountain ogrun to revere me much as they did. That could be interesting. The old fountain of youth story to restore a once legendary character brought low by the ravages of time. Using the powers of a dragon to defy fate. This sums up my thoughts on the aesthetics of the model. Illaoi is a great example of what I would envision and want (and the tentacle theme also helps ) As far as the rules (spells/abilities), I am leery. I am not a fan of Kallus1 (low fury, I am not a fan of his Feat due to buying Incubi and their lack luster performance). Maybe this is from a narrow scope of infantry that we have today and will be fixed with future releases.
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Post by piedpiperwtf on Jul 18, 2017 11:30:13 GMT
Golum reminds me of madame mim from the sword in the Stone and she was a bad bit of a woman, Merlin had to resort to trickery to defeat her.
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Post by drakkenblut on Jul 18, 2017 12:37:46 GMT
No, that is definitively an eye. Those cheek plates some beast have are never on the skull, they cover the area where jaws connect. This thing may be a blighted animal, not a creature born of dragon blood or a Nephilim. This is a disturbing departure from Legion setting... First, Everblight reshapes Ogrun (having only a couple of years experience with them, and not in controlled setting as it was constant war, compare with couple of centuries of experimenting with blight on elves), and now blights wildlife to the level of beasts. I know EB is a blight artist/engineer/scientist, but this is going too fast. Ogrun with draconic quadruped lower body, complete with tail, but untouched (apart from standard pallor, scales and horns) from waist up? Compare with Grotesques, how twisted did they become just for that pair of wings? Per the keynote Golab is in fact a blighted vulture and not dragonspawn at all. He was Anamag's Pet before the blight and after. Not 100% of the conditions on his blighting if E had a direct hand in it or not. Still, I'm gonna say tossup on having eyeless or not. though probably not. Fun Fact Golab is a transliteration of the Polish word for Dove (the bird not the verb). Actually... that is an unique development I like. Mystic had a decades long connection with her familiar, and when blighted, by an athanc shard no less, she changed into a warlock and the beast into a warbeast. Nice. Golub means pigeon in Serbian. Slavic languages, all alike.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Jul 18, 2017 16:16:55 GMT
Fun Fact Golab is a transliteration of the Polish word for Dove ( the bird not the verb). I am now very frustrated and annoyed that i never notice Dove and dove are spelled the exact same. I hate english! I'm really curious if it gets eyeless sight or not. it's a cool idea that other animals can be blighted and integrated into the warlock's control.
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