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Post by gimli on Jul 12, 2017 21:38:27 GMT
Hi everyone, My friend James at the Kriel World blog pointed out that macdaddy on these forums wanted some battle reports from me from the ETC so here you go - LINK
Jacob
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Post by macdaddy on Jul 13, 2017 2:36:59 GMT
Awesome reports I really like your Wurmwood list! I am starting to work on playing him as I have always loved him even in mk2. Though I haven't played him in theme yet (that may change is the merc CiD stuff sticks)
Congrats on being best in Circle at the event! You had some really hard fought wins there!
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Post by gimli on Jul 13, 2017 21:53:02 GMT
Thanks! Wurmwood (or Cassius) was one of my favourite Warlocks in Mk2 and i really enjoyed the toolkit he brought and still brings.
I hadn't considered him in theme because i was too stuck on having all the toys like Loki, Megalith, Sentry Stones etc but i was really frustrated with that list. Locally Loki isn't a great pick as i play against a lot of Retribution in Forges of War, Convergence in Destruction Initiative and Trolls with Whelps and i wasn't getting a lot of value out of my list as a result of taking all the things i assumed i needed. I took it back to basics, put in 2 Stalkers for the Pathfinder and Reach (which i was feeling like i was missing), some Woldwyrds and Reeves because i was using Reeves at the start of Mk2 and found them to be just a good unit. It then fit within the theme so i tried it and it's great.
I'm looking forward to UK Nationals now and i'm fine tuning my Una list a little, i think it'll go to 6 Griffons by dropping the Ravagers and replacing them with just a Whitemane. I'm also going to be testing out a Krueger2 list as my third list for that event which is currently not in theme because i want the Fulcrum and i don't want to be in Bones of Orboros - but that may change.
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Post by bloodhawk on Jul 26, 2017 21:40:00 GMT
Great write ups. Just the right amount of detail to paint the picture, but not so much you get lost. I had a couple questions on your mindset around these lists. First, would you play a similar pairing in a 2 list steamroller? If so, what would your thought process be for a matchup against Fyanna2 Oracles and Baldur2 Double WW?
I appreciate your insight and thanks again for the write up!
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Post by jisidro on Jul 27, 2017 11:16:33 GMT
Sorry! Forgot to say thank you!
Really like your Wurmwood list and have questions about the Una2 list:
Does she work with so few griffons and BG in general? I guess trackers because they are the best infantry we have, Ravagers because they are cool and trackers are FA1 and wolfriders because threat range is very good with apparition. Why LotShelf instead of Death Wolves? Can't find the 3 pts?
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Post by Lord_Randall on Jul 27, 2017 11:32:46 GMT
trackers because they are the best infantry we have I'm not sure this to be true anymore... without reposition end with a meta filled of light jacks who can easily deny prey.
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Post by unded on Jul 27, 2017 11:55:18 GMT
I would put reeves as our best infantry (assuming sentry stones and mannikins are support, so disqualified from the comparison).
-und_ed
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Post by jisidro on Jul 27, 2017 14:17:44 GMT
trackers because they are the best infantry we have I'm not sure this to be true anymore... without reposition end with a meta filled of light jacks who can easily deny prey.
We really got shafted in our infantry ajusting...
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Post by Lord_Randall on Jul 27, 2017 15:01:46 GMT
I'm not sure this to be true anymore... without reposition end with a meta filled of light jacks who can easily deny prey.
We really got shafted in our infantry ajusting...
I totally agree... our infantry need e serious rework. Right now only reeves, ravagers and weavers are somewhat workable. And not stellars by any means. And we need a theme for living warbeasts, maybe ones with our support available... 2 of 3 theme deny battlegroup's support access... But for now we have to work with things we have...
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Post by streetpizza on Jul 27, 2017 21:01:48 GMT
Trackers are still good they're just not AS good. The loss of repo definitely stings though.
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Post by macdaddy on Jul 27, 2017 22:05:15 GMT
Before themes I would remove a Heavy a game with trackers if I used them properly. Lots of heavy Spam in my meta though so my experience is skewed. I would still use them if I had more tharn models and could run the Baldur 1 tharn List I want to run. I think Reeves, Bloodtrackers, and Skinwalkers WITH UA are solid infantry options. Everything else is either really situational or hot garbage
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Post by gordaunikus1 on Jul 28, 2017 15:35:13 GMT
Unfair to not place wolves as decent infantry. Have been running 2 unit w 2 free ua (22 or 26 points depending on how you view "free" ua for 11 pt unit). With any damage buff and careful ua play, it's not all that difficult to deliver a few to a heavy that has been previously dented.
Also consider ambush. The 2 units may die over 4 turns, but those are attacks not going into the other 75 points of your army.
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Post by gimli on Jul 29, 2017 10:39:26 GMT
Great write ups. Just the right amount of detail to paint the picture, but not so much you get lost. I had a couple questions on your mindset around these lists. First, would you play a similar pairing in a 2 list steamroller? If so, what would your thought process be for a matchup against Fyanna2 Oracles and Baldur2 Double WW? I appreciate your insight and thanks again for the write up! Thanks! These lists were my 2 list pairing at the time. My team basically just took our usual 2 list SR pairs rather than trying to skew for the match-up process in anyway. This was because 1. We barely did any practice as a team in a team environment just because of how each others schedules fell 2. We didn't know the process well enough! We only really play it once a year at the ETC So against those two, i have actually thought about it a bit. Against Fyanna2 i would probably use Una. I feel like i have some ability to play against her feat in that i can get Griffons to MAT10 (Flank and Primal) and help the dice with Hand of Fate. I can also get boosted attack rolls from the cavalry charges and also i'd probably put the corpses on the Ravagers and use them to boost to hit rather than stacking the corpses on LOTF. I've changed the list since then but i'd approach it that way. Against Baldur2, hmm. This is an interesting match, i think i'd again take Una as i'm not relying on casting spells on his Woldwraths. I would this time use my speed advantage and get the wolf riders and Bloodtrackers around the flanks and the back of the list and put pressure on Baldur from all sides. I can then try to remove any support pieces and punish the Baldur list for being relatviley slow. I'd probably then just play for some kind of Scenario if i could or just try to pressure Baldur himself. LOTF will also be good here as you can stack the corpses on him and just wait until Baldur makes a mistake then go for him. Also the Ravagers could block the paths of the Woldwraths/Megalith so i'd just use them to jam. I haven't played those specific matches with these lists yet (I played them with my old pair of Kaya2/Krueger1) and i do need to get games in against them with my newer lists, but in my head that's how i'm approaching those games.
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Post by gimli on Jul 29, 2017 10:58:09 GMT
Sorry! Forgot to say thank you! Really like your Wurmwood list and have questions about the Una2 list: Does she work with so few griffons and BG in general? I guess trackers because they are the best infantry we have, Ravagers because they are cool and trackers are FA1 and wolfriders because threat range is very good with apparition. Why LotShelf instead of Death Wolves? Can't find the 3 pts? Thanks! I'm glad people are actually liking the tournament round up. She worked pretty well for me in that build. Rather than using the Griffons as the main initial punch i tended to keep them back and let HoF on the Bloodtrackers, Ravagers and Wolf Riders do a lot of the work, then i can use the Griffons as the game gets more towards the middle and end and then utilise Sprint more to finish the job with Flank. I've added 2 more griffons since that list in place of the Ravagers (the Shaman has become a Whitemane) and the principle is the same but gives me more punch against those who take more Warjacks. In my list I've chosen to utilise Hand of Fate more than the Flank ability on Una, my newer list is a balance between the two, but i don't think you are pigeon-hold (pun absolutely intended) into just playing lots and lots of griffons if you don't want to. All the units are ones that benefit from her toolkit, or at least i think they do! The Bloodtrackers and the Wolf Riders are both Weapon Masters and Hand of Fate just makes it even better and even though the math works out at roughly +2, you get so many spikes when rolling those dice that you just do really good things with them. Ravagers are a great unit tbh, and she has the ability to protect them (if you want) in her Windwall whilst leaving one out to trigger vengeance and with Mirage it extends their threat by 5 inches which is pretty excellent. Similarly Mirage is great on the Bloodtrackers or the Wolf Riders and you just have so much mobility you sometimes don't know what to do with it. Ahhh, Lord of the Shelf. People will disagree here, but he's really good. Well, he's good here at least, I've not played him anywhere else. Before i go into why, i'll justmention why i didn't go with the Death Wolves here. I have been using them with Krueger1 and they have been great, just tanking everything and dishing out a lot of damage. I did consider them here, but when i wrote the list i put the LOTF in as a bit of a test to see how bad he was and to laugh then put him back in my case and wheel out the Death Wolves again. If you aren't convinced by LOTF, then just swap these guys in, i can't see when they would be a bad choice in Devourer's Host. Back to the Lord himself. He's still a good assassin and HoF makes that happen. It makes his Raven reliable and his melee attacks pretty strong against casters that have spent a lot, which they often do in trying to deal with all your threats. I'e actually found him to be good vs the Khador Uhans which are popular around here in various lists (Strakhov1, Strakhov2, Irusk2, Vlad2 etc) and he can shoot one, port up and kill 3 of them and suddenly the long range threat of cavalry has vanished. I don't know about everyone else, but i hate playing against Cavalry because their threat range is high and their accuracy is high but LOTF can help with that. Maybe i'll swap him out eventually laughing at him like i initially thought i would, but for now i actually really like him in the list. If i stop liking him i can easily swap in the Death Wolves (probably dropping the Shifting Stones as they are a nice to have and not something i absolutely need). Hopefully i haven't babbled too much there and it's been useful, if it hasn't been feel free to ask me more questions as i'm pretty happy with Circle atm (contrary to everyone else it seems!)
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Post by gimli on Jul 29, 2017 10:59:01 GMT
Trackers are still good they're just not AS good. The loss of repo definitely stings though. Yeh this. If they still had Repo i'd be so so happy with that unit.
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