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phantomsig
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My list pairing Jul 10, 2017 23:50:53 GMT

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Post by phantomsig on Jul 10, 2017 23:50:53 GMT

Hi all,

I have a tournament this weekend. Below are my two lists. Lucant is there to deter ranged lists, and to drop into menoth/incorporeal/lots of infantry spam. Directrix is there because i have the most experience with that list.

Questions:
- Is my theory on the pairing (who to drop when) ok? Should i be thinking about it differently?
- What match ups would i be weak against?
- The mitigator is there to help get a drag in, deal with high armor/def infantry, and be a cheapish arc node. But it takes the spot of:
* Galvanizer and ADO (two cheap arc nodes)
* Optifex Directive and Puncture bots
Is the mitigator worth it then? The Optifex directive i miss alot, but i also miss the mitigator when its not there..

Thanks!

Lucant
Corollary
Prime Axiom
Inverter
TEP
TEP
Accretion
Free Accretion
Free Reflex
Free Reflex
Free Reflex
Optifex Directive

Directrix
Corollary
Prime Axiom
Assimilator
Assimilator
Mitigator
TEP
Free Attunement
Free Elimination
Free Reflex
Free Reflex
Free Reflex

Korianneder Junior Strategist Posts: 477	My list pairing Jul 11, 2017 3:58:23 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Korianneder on Jul 11, 2017 3:58:23 GMT What's your plan into Khador with 8-10 jacks a good portion of which will be weapon masters against all your huge bases?

phantomsig Junior Strategist Posts: 160	My list pairing Jul 11, 2017 9:12:15 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by phantomsig on Jul 11, 2017 9:12:15 GMT Great question! Mother with backlash and domination?

Korianneder
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My list pairing Jul 11, 2017 13:20:08 GMT via mobile

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Post by Korianneder on Jul 11, 2017 13:20:08 GMT

Jul 11, 2017 9:12:15 GMT phantomsig said:

Great question!

Mother with backlash and domination?

Speaking from experience, it vaguely works until you face Karchev. Backlash isn't going through 34 boxes that can be repaired.

phantomsig Junior Strategist Posts: 160	My list pairing Jul 12, 2017 1:51:39 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by phantomsig on Jul 12, 2017 1:51:39 GMT Fair enough! Thanks for the feedback? So can such a list be kited? (with a re-positioning TEP? and the PA) Or is it just too many jacks? What is convergence's answer to this list?

Korianneder
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My list pairing Jul 12, 2017 13:17:21 GMT via mobile

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Post by Korianneder on Jul 12, 2017 13:17:21 GMT

I've been trying Syntherion with a combination of galvanizer and heavies. No huge bases at all. Marauders are only pow 16 against regular models so the mass marauders spam is less useful. Synergy also lets galvanizers build the chain and make it easy for a conservator to scrap a Khador heavy.

You can't kite Khador with convergence. Karchev gives them either a 3 inch move when they kill a servitor or gives them countercharge. Harkevich gives them mobility. I've found trying to cheat trades with galvanizers to be the best bet.

gatt
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My list pairing Jul 17, 2017 0:56:38 GMT

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Post by gatt on Jul 17, 2017 0:56:38 GMT

Mother does not work against Karchev and/or major box spam. I have been having the most luck with Axis using his feat to contain threat ranges.

Using the feat to get 2 turns of spraying with TEP's followed up by galvanizer/inverters for seasoning seems really effective against these lists. Also don't let him use your servitors to proc road of war.

Last Edit: Jul 17, 2017 0:57:21 GMT by gatt

phantomsig
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My list pairing Jul 17, 2017 23:27:37 GMT gatt likes this

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Post by phantomsig on Jul 17, 2017 23:27:37 GMT

Hi everybody! Thought i would give an update on how i went, keep in mind i'm new to the tourney scene and also a clutz (explaining the three losses here haha)

Round 1 - Mother - Loss: Believe it or not? Karchev Jack spam
All in all the terrain was set up in a way that i actually had a chance. I made a few mistakes and choices that cost me a lot. The main lesson here (and one i am still learning) is that i don't have to keep the prime axiom away from EVERYTHING. I.e., if i can make it so the PA is chargeable by only 1 jack, if it means taking out more than 1 enemy jack all up in the turn, it is totally worth it.

Other lesson? gatt's point of preventing road to war. I did this fine the first two turns, but gave him tons on the third turn. In the future, i will just run all my stuff back/hide mechanics behind the PA

Round 2 - Lucant - Loss: Ragnor with a mountain king, glacier king, mauler and axer
A feat turn prime will not survive against a mountain king with the pulveriser spell
Also they had a threat of 12" vs my 10"
Also i just ran my PA up cos i didnt know what to do (realised what to do once the game was over of course...)

Round 3 - Lucant - Loss: Nemo3 with two lots of storm ponies
The closest game i had. Everything went perfectly up until Lucant being too close to a dynamo and a firefly.... without focus.....
The worst thing is is that he didn't have to be that close. Instead of being not greedy enough, i was much too greedy

So in summary, Axis may have been better? Who to replace? Mother or Lucant? And then what will be the weakness of this new list pairing?

gatt
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My list pairing Jul 20, 2017 2:02:23 GMT

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Post by gatt on Jul 20, 2017 2:02:23 GMT

Jul 17, 2017 23:27:37 GMT phantomsig said:

Hi everybody! Thought i would give an update on how i went, keep in mind i'm new to the tourney scene and also a clutz (explaining the three losses here haha)

Round 1 - Mother - Loss: Believe it or not? Karchev Jack spam
All in all the terrain was set up in a way that i actually had a chance. I made a few mistakes and choices that cost me a lot. The main lesson here (and one i am still learning) is that i don't have to keep the prime axiom away from EVERYTHING. I.e., if i can make it so the PA is chargeable by only 1 jack, if it means taking out more than 1 enemy jack all up in the turn, it is totally worth it.

Other lesson? gatt's point of preventing road to war. I did this fine the first two turns, but gave him tons on the third turn. In the future, i will just run all my stuff back/hide mechanics behind the PA

Round 2 - Lucant - Loss: Ragnor with a mountain king, glacier king, mauler and axer
A feat turn prime will not survive against a mountain king with the pulveriser spell
Also they had a threat of 12" vs my 10"
Also i just ran my PA up cos i didnt know what to do (realised what to do once the game was over of course...)

Round 3 - Lucant - Loss: Nemo3 with two lots of storm ponies
The closest game i had. Everything went perfectly up until Lucant being too close to a dynamo and a firefly.... without focus.....
The worst thing is is that he didn't have to be that close. Instead of being not greedy enough, i was much too greedy

So in summary, Axis may have been better? Who to replace? Mother or Lucant? And then what will be the weakness of this new list pairing?

Having Axis/Directrix and having Axis with 2 TEP's means Vlad 2 can pretty much bully/steamroll the lists. I suspect running more galvanizers with Axis would alleviate that issue. Funnily enough anything that can hurt your heavies without sacrificing too much can be a real issue (Thexus, Vlad 2, Doomy 2). Knowing when and how to feat with Axis is the key as his other strengths don't make up for not playing Lucant/Syntherion.

My issue with running Lucant is as soon as you run into an opponent that outthreats you, you must feat to blunt the alpha. If they can still do enough damage it seems like a rought game.
I still love Directrix but am not having huge success with her. She either runs the table with an Axiom or you don't get enough done and lose. I am currently experimenting with 2 Axioms and/or mitigators for the knockdown drags and control element.

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Post by Korianneder on Jul 11, 2017 13:20:08 GMT

Post by phantomsig on Jul 12, 2017 1:51:39 GMT

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Post by gatt on Jul 20, 2017 2:02:23 GMT