Come on in, and let's talk about my GenCon lists: Strak1/K1

Armchair Warrior
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Come on in, and let's talk about my GenCon lists: Strak1/K1 Jul 9, 2017 23:23:54 GMT

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Post by Armchair Warrior on Jul 9, 2017 23:23:54 GMT

So I have exactly one tournament practice before Gen Con. I don't get in a ton of games, so I actually haven't had an opportunity to take these up against either of the two big boogeymen - Ghost Fleet or Oracles. However I had an opportunity to play both of these lists on multiple occasions, and find them both to becompetitive, and if I lose I feel like it's my own damn fault not the lists.

The question that I'm asking with the Karchev list is can you deal with 8 heavies backed up with extra focus and a decent amount of single wound ranged killing. I feel really comfortable putting this list up against non-weapon master dude spam as well as anything with a lower model count. I've found marshaling the destroyer to be a relatively good trade Since Karchev doesn't have enough focus to fuel all those jacks at once, and the Forge Seers do a decent job at making the destroyer blasts successful at removing annoying solos. I think this would be my Ghost Fleet drop.

War Room Army

Khador - Karchev's Jaws

Theme: Jaws of the Wolf
3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army

Karchev the Terrible - WJ: +30
- Kodiak - PC: 13 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13)
- Kodiak - PC: 13 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13)
- Juggernaut - PC: 12 (Battlegroup Points Used: 4)
- Juggernaut - PC: 12
- Marauder - PC: 10
- Marauder - PC: 10
- Marauder - PC: 10

Greylord Forge Seer - PC: 0
- Destroyer - PC: 14
Greylord Forge Seer - PC: 0
Widowmaker Marksman - PC: 0

Widowmaker Scouts - Leader & 3 Grunts: 8
Battle Mechaniks - Leader & 3 Grunts: 3

The Strakhov list, I feel, deals with weaponmaster dudespam OK, and asks my opponent can you deal with all of these stealth models, and can you handle extreme threat ranges from Khador heavies. And, it still has 5 heavies... I think this would be my Oracles drop.

War Room Army

Khador - Strakhov

Theme: Jaws of the Wolf
3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army

Kommander Oleg Strakhov - WJ: +28
- Behemoth - PC: 25 (Battlegroup Points Used: 25)
- Grolar - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 3)
- Kodiak - PC: 13
- Juggernaut - PC: 12
- Marauder - PC: 10

Greylord Forge Seer - PC: 0
Greylord Forge Seer - PC: 0

Kayazy Eliminators - Leader & Grunt: 5
Kayazy Eliminators - Leader & Grunt: 5
Kayazy Assassins - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15
- Kayazy Assassin Underboss - PC: 0

So...

1. What do think of the lists?
2. What do you see as my problem match ups?
3. Any tactical tips?

TAW

Last Edit: Jul 9, 2017 23:24:42 GMT by Armchair Warrior

auraco
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Come on in, and let's talk about my GenCon lists: Strak1/K1 Jul 9, 2017 23:57:44 GMT

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Post by auraco on Jul 9, 2017 23:57:44 GMT

I haven't played Karchev yet so can't really comment on this one. I like the Strakhov list, it should be able to deal with most kind of lists, just not big armor spam, but your karchev list can handle that without issues so you're ok on that front. I think I would switch one of the forge seer for a widowmaker marksman because they are probably some of the best solo for that, I don't see forge seers doing it as well.

Please let me know of your version of Strakhov does, my Jaws of the wolf list with him is very similar, a big heavier on the jacks and lighter on the units. I really like Strakhov so far, he's a jack caster without the shadow of a doubt and he can run some very varied list, he just needs a trusty Grolar to do his thing.

skathrex
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Come on in, and let's talk about my GenCon lists: Strak1/K1 Jul 10, 2017 10:24:53 GMT

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Post by skathrex on Jul 10, 2017 10:24:53 GMT

Your reasoning on the List is sound, and with Countercharge Karchev can play pretty well into Oracles imo.

However I don't think your Karchev lists stands a chance against GF, so as it looks you want to dodge that matchup.

Another thing I don't like is that you are running 2 time the same Theme List, with little variation. The only real reason is the one you mentioned. Beeing afraid of WM Infantry. If you have a lot of Ret (or PoM) in your meta this could be good idea.

I see dude spams still as a Problem and would still play a double sentinel list into Strakov. Or things like Strakov2. Another big weakness might be Cygnars Anti-Armor list, because they don't care about stealth as much and wreck your Jacks.
Third list that might be difficult are the synergie casters like Vyros2 and Amon.
But if you are confident enough these are all list that Strakov1 could handle.

Maybe go a bit crazy with the Strakov list and include another Unit of Assassins? So something like this:

conflictchamber.com/#c3201b_-0x7c7wdZ0dhF8r8A8B8A8B8G8G

Khador Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Jaws of the Wolf

(Strakhov 1) Kommander Oleg Strakhov [+28]
- Behemoth [25]
- Grolar [18]
- Juggernaut [12]
Greylord Forge Seer [0(4)]
Widowmaker Marksman [0(4)]
Kayazy Assassins (max) [15]
- Kayazy Assassin Underboss [4]
Kayazy Assassins (max) [15]
- Kayazy Assassin Underboss [4]
Kayazy Eliminators [5]
Kayazy Eliminators [5]

Just to diversify your list. The basic "Strakov" style is still there, but now you suddenly pray upon infantry lists (because of your speed in feat) and Gunlines in general. You don't need that much focus anymore but still have a decent punch and assasination thread.

...I think I like that list so much its definatly something that needs to be tried.

smoothcriminal
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Come on in, and let's talk about my GenCon lists: Strak1/K1 Jul 10, 2017 11:39:34 GMT

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Post by smoothcriminal on Jul 10, 2017 11:39:34 GMT

If you throw Strakhov against wm dudes then you don't need to have snipers in Karchev list. I'd use the point to get second marshalled Destroyer there. Those are usually shooting lists that will make short work of your snipers.

I don't see how Strakhov beats def 17 dodge serpentine oracles. And they threat longer than 12". If anything Karchev has a better chance since he can feat and dedicate more focus to hit boosting and while they have Fury it'll still take time for them to chew through all that arm making it easier to survive their feat turn.

Last Edit: Jul 10, 2017 11:46:04 GMT by smoothcriminal

maleficoru
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Come on in, and let's talk about my GenCon lists: Strak1/K1 Jul 10, 2017 17:11:50 GMT

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Post by maleficoru on Jul 10, 2017 17:11:50 GMT

Jul 10, 2017 10:24:53 GMT skathrex said:

Your reasoning on the List is sound, and with Countercharge Karchev can play pretty well into Oracles imo.

However I don't think your Karchev lists stands a chance against GF, so as it looks you want to dodge that matchup.

Another thing I don't like is that you are running 2 time the same Theme List, with little variation. The only real reason is the one you mentioned. Beeing afraid of WM Infantry. If you have a lot of Ret (or PoM) in your meta this could be good idea.

I see dude spams still as a Problem and would still play a double sentinel list into Strakov. Or things like Strakov2. Another big weakness might be Cygnars Anti-Armor list, because they don't care about stealth as much and wreck your Jacks.
Third list that might be difficult are the synergie casters like Vyros2 and Amon.
But if you are confident enough these are all list that Strakov1 could handle.

Maybe go a bit crazy with the Strakov list and include another Unit of Assassins? So something like this:

conflictchamber.com/#c3201b_-0x7c7wdZ0dhF8r8A8B8A8B8G8G

Khador Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Jaws of the Wolf

(Strakhov 1) Kommander Oleg Strakhov [+28]
- Behemoth [25]
- Grolar [18]
- Juggernaut [12]
Greylord Forge Seer [0(4)]
Widowmaker Marksman [0(4)]
Kayazy Assassins (max) [15]
- Kayazy Assassin Underboss [4]
Kayazy Assassins (max) [15]
- Kayazy Assassin Underboss [4]
Kayazy Eliminators [5]
Kayazy Eliminators [5]

Just to diversify your list. The basic "Strakov" style is still there, but now you suddenly pray upon infantry lists (because of your speed in feat) and Gunlines in general. You don't need that much focus anymore but still have a decent punch and assasination thread.

...I think I like that list so much its definatly something that needs to be tried.

Umm I am totally ganking this list >_> it looks like a blast!

skathrex Junior Strategist Posts: 448	Come on in, and let's talk about my GenCon lists: Strak1/K1 Jul 11, 2017 7:12:54 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by skathrex on Jul 11, 2017 7:12:54 GMT maleficoru: Feel free, was just from the top of my hat. I certainly looks like a lot of fun. I think you have to make the feat count. When you manage that you should be fine with this list.

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Post by Armchair Warrior on Jul 9, 2017 23:23:54 GMT

Post by auraco on Jul 9, 2017 23:57:44 GMT

Post by skathrex on Jul 10, 2017 10:24:53 GMT

Post by smoothcriminal on Jul 10, 2017 11:39:34 GMT

Post by maleficoru on Jul 10, 2017 17:11:50 GMT

Post by skathrex on Jul 11, 2017 7:12:54 GMT