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Post by souleater on Jul 3, 2017 11:54:23 GMT
As a complete faction tart I was wondering how Trolls compare to Skorne on the table top?
From a few snippets I understand that Trolls can do the ranged game better or as well as Skorne.
Trollblood beasts seem harder to put down but are reliant on buffs to a similar extent that Skorne are.
What other differences and similarities are there?
Thank you.
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Post by Arcaux on Jul 3, 2017 13:04:35 GMT
From my understanding.
Trolls have better casters Trolls have much better control Skorne have better infantry Skorne beasts out threat Troll beasts due to rush and enrage compared to rush and rage. Skorne and Trolls both shoot well Skorne can skew def or Arm Trolls only really skew Arm
Maybe some of thats wrong.
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Post by ninjastars on Jul 3, 2017 18:25:48 GMT
Its sort of hard to define the difference generally, the factions are very similar. Trolls definitely do have a better range game, mostly just because bombers are so good, but to make up for it the basilisk krea and the aradus beasts make skorne more resistant to shooting than trolls. The rest of the beasts are roughly equivalent, i mean there are a lot of differences in the details and how they operate but in general skorne and troll beasts but out similar damage for similar points when given similar buffs. Skorne's character heavies are better overall though, tiberion is the tank monster we with mulg still was, and molik karn is like they dropped a jacked up warpwolf stalker into a faction with rush and good damage buffs, it opens up a lot of options trolls just don't have.
Skorne also has the big advantage of not being tied down to the stone, which frees up both points and fury. Skorne have an equivalent in the agonozer and the basilisk krea, the former reduces melee damage and the latter shooting damage, and it gives them a more modular set of defensive options that don't take fury from your caster. In general, skorne is more dependent on their casters for buffs, and they have buffs that are focused on a single model/unit. Trolls have the stone which gives an armor buff and a small strength buff when its charged up, skorne just have defenders ward. Skorne feats tend to be more direct as well. Troll feats fudge dice and have weird control effects, skorne feats are a lot of armor and strength buffs. Some troll and skorne casters are even mirrors of each other. Makeda2 is sort of Grissel2s evil twin, as are Ragnar and Rasheth.
The big difference is skorne's superior infantry, especially their single wound models. Troll players basically try to avoid using their infantry as much as possible, but every one of skorne's units does the job its supposed to do very well for a really good point cost.
I'm just going to come out and say I think skorne is the more competitive faction right now. They have a wider range of options and playstyles, better support options, and really powerful casters. Skorne doesn't have a good theme force right now, which is the only thing holding them back, but once they do they're going to be a terror. If they just gave madrak1 Makeda1's card I would jump for joy. I played my skorne army for a while after the errata and loved what they had to offer. I came back to trolls because of aesthetics, i ultimately just dont like how the skorne models look. but if you can look at skorne models and think they look cool, then your better off with them. I'm really hoping the new CID and theme forces will give trolls better options, but until those drop and we know for sure skorne do something similar to what trolls do, but are just a little better at it.
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Post by joedj on Jul 4, 2017 4:06:12 GMT
'Standout' models from Skorne compared to Trollbloods IMHO would be: Ferox for FAST aggressive cavalry Paingiver Taskmaster(s) for independent killers/contestors Centratii with full Xerxis1, Krea, etc. for survivable tank infantry Archidon for cheap, buff-able heavy Paingiver Beast Handlers for beast buffing/healing/de-Furying
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Post by souleater on Jul 4, 2017 6:50:02 GMT
Thank you both for your thoughts.
Coming from Cryx and Legion I was looking for a Tankier faction - which I have found with Skorne.
The models I like some days but leave me cold others. Trollbloods are really characterful and I would love to paint some (although I do find the constant 'troll theme' a bit same. And the infantry looks great.)
One thing I would mention is that Skorne are also tied down to Beasthandlers. They seem as prevalent as the stone in Trollbloods.
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Post by Robbe on Jul 4, 2017 7:15:01 GMT
From my understanding. Trolls have better casters Trolls have much better control Skorne have better infantry Skorne beasts out threat Troll beasts due to rush and enrage compared to rush and rage. Skorne and Trolls both shoot well Skorne can skew def or Arm Trolls only really skew Def Maybe some of thats wrong. Trolls only really skew Def? Can you tell me how? I thought Armor was our shtick?
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Post by Arcaux on Jul 4, 2017 7:34:16 GMT
From my understanding. Trolls have better casters Trolls have much better control Skorne have better infantry Skorne beasts out threat Troll beasts due to rush and enrage compared to rush and rage. Skorne and Trolls both shoot well Skorne can skew def or Arm Trolls only really skew Def Maybe some of thats wrong. Trolls only really skew Def? Can you tell me how? I thought Armor was our shtick? It is I wrote the wrong thing
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Post by Arcaux on Jul 4, 2017 7:35:59 GMT
'Standout' models from Skorne compared to Trollbloods IMHO would be: Ferox for FAST aggressive cavalry Paingiver Taskmaster(s) for independent killers/contestors Centratii with full Xerxis1, Krea, etc. for survivable tank infantry Archidon for cheap, buff-able heavy Paingiver Beast Handlers for beast buffing/healing/de-Furying Reivers are also exceptional
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Post by Robbe on Jul 4, 2017 8:16:37 GMT
One of the German Teams just won the ETC (European Team Championship) with 3 players running Skorne. Rasheth and Morghoul2 with double reivers is a thing here in Germany
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Post by Arcaux on Jul 4, 2017 8:18:40 GMT
One of the German Teams just won the ETC (European Team Championship) with 3 players running Skorne. Rasheth and Morghoul2 with double reivers is a thing here in Germany While I do think Skorne and that theme are certainly underrated it does help that two of those 3 players were Sasha and Martin Hornacek.
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Post by Robbe on Jul 4, 2017 9:17:45 GMT
The third one was Dominik de Cassan who isn't a dark horse either
Dominik and Sascha both played Skorne at a 64 player Masters event in May and played each other in the finals.
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