A Doom with a Skew

Thanks for the article, it is very informative. I really like the list but it seems like there are not many models in it and it would therefore not be able to spread out very well which could be a big problem in SR17. How do you find it does when it needs to split up?

Spot on article. Totally agree with him being our current top caster. I switched to Doomy3 since The Fyanna2 has become super popular in my meta. It’s a tricky game, but It seems our best answer at the moment. I’ve been running a non-Mountain King variant that I’ve been liking a lot.

I’ve got a good local player currently playing Minions. I keep running into his Rask beast heavy (all the junior warlock) list. That thing is brutal. Between paralyze access with Rask/Skarath, counter charge on Lug & an opposing admo target, there is a lot of tricks to watch out for.

One topic I wish you had touched on, was who do you like to pair with him? I’m currently running Gunny, but I’ve been eyeballing Grissel2. I’d be interested in your opinion.

Currently i like Grissel2 purely because I can play out of bad matchups with assassination and it means I can usually get a few quick wins at a tournament.

Gunnbjorn is probably a better pair if I'm honest or Madrak2.

I think on a practical level their feats are similar, since its all POD all the time now, your army is going to be mostly battlegroup anyway, and since neither caster has threat extension and POD has no screening, most of the time you're going to be feating defensively, which means Doomie3's hit buff won't see a lot of play.

I am interested in your point about their relative matchup strength. my local meta is a lot of Khador jack spam and huge base lists, which I think ragnor is better into. however, i could see there being a problem when i go to NoVa con at the end of the summer and smack into a lot of haley and fyanna and be unprepared for it. Also I haven't given doomie a spin in mk3 yet and I've been playing a lot of ragnar. so something to think about!

I'm interested In why you go with the MK in your list. I see the advantage with being immune to grievous wounds, but implacability is wasted on him and you get more admonition targets in a four heavy list. 

If only deafen worked that way, how much sweeter it would be.

You won't be disappointed.  

Doomy's feat is actually a lot like Haley2's feat,  Often the longer you can hold it the better it is.  Many matchups involve dancing around the threat range of an opponent and maybe trading a light or the earthborn.

By the same token the MK threats 12 inches which gives a lot of lists absolute fits as it outthreatens them.  One trick i use fairly often is feating and using the Animus are free mini feat.  I stick rush on the Mk, he charges in or even tramples through a forrest or cloud wall and then casts rage when he gets there and buys 4 attacks with 3d6 to hit and Pow 23.  That kills a heavy and you aren't trading because of the feat.  You also get the killshot at the end of it to maybe take out an important solo or unit.

Meta is always super important.  Play what works against you locally.  My pairing hates Vlad1 and Strakov2 from Khador.  I'm pretty confident into most other lists.


The Mk is almost always the right choice.  I can't speak highly enough of it.
Firstly it brings a high pow boostable spray.  This is amazing and means your list always has a ranged assassination threat.  Double sprays are a thing if you understand bulldoze.

The spray also offers control in the form of Deafen.  Against storm lances with arcane shield I'll often assault them and spray with a boosted 8 to hit and an unboosted damage roll.  If I get less than a 9 on 2 dice they have to kill their own leader if they want to charge with that unit.  The spray also makes up for a lack of attacks in the list and just generally keeps opponents honest

It also doesn't suffer the negative of rage or pathfinder synergy.  Like I already said this guy always has pathfinder.  Admitedly using the minifeat you can get maulers to charge 11 and then self cast rage, but that still isn't 12 and it doesn't have the gun and a canny opponent will kill your mauler and deny you rage, a MK is much harder to kill.  

Having something grievous is huge especially against something like Caine3 where you can apply pressure to parts of the board with something you know they can't kill

On top of that I don't really see a need for Admonition on every beast in the list.  Mulg or the Earthborn are almost always the right choice.