whydak
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Post by whydak on Jun 25, 2017 10:30:46 GMT
I played local SR2016 tournament. My friend appeard with Baldur1/Baldur2 pairing. I told him that if he manages to sucess with his lists I will play Thags1/Thags2 next tournament. And he won... So here we go. Thagrosh1 is one of my favourite casters and I played him a lot. 0 games with Thagrosh 2, i bought him recently. Next tournament will be probalby with SR2017 rules. Meta varies from porno shooting, dude spam with recursion and total heavy spam. Pairing with 2x beast heavy will probably equal with 30 weaponmasters to the face. I've read Thagrosh2 tactics and have 0 Nephilim soldiers unfortunately. Any ideas? I was thinking about something like that: conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0taDaPaPbvbgaOaRbecocob9b9__aCg_fubbcoa_a_fTfTLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Oracles of Annihilation (Thagrosh 2) Thagrosh, the Messiah [+25] - Angelius [17] - Angelius [17] - Naga Nightlurker [8] - Scythean [18] - Seraph [14] - Typhon [24] Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [0(6)] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] The Forsaken [0(4)] The Forsaken [0(4)] Legion Army - 75 / 75 points (Thagrosh 1) Thagrosh, Prophet of Everblight [+28] - Azrael [21] - Blightbringer [38] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Spell Martyr [1] Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (max) [15] Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (max) [15] Hellmouth [6] Hellmouth [6] Just general idea of lists directions but little hints will be nice also. |
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unded
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Post by unded on Jun 25, 2017 19:42:07 GMT
If you're playing Thags2 Oracles, I have 2 pieces of advice:
1) Neraphs are better than Angels. Cheaper, more base attacks, Higher MAT, sustained attack, and sprint for the hell of it. Take 2, never look back. All they need to work is a dmg buff, and manifest destiny is exactly that. Sprint plus Thaggy's Feat also gives them a ludicrous threat range if you want to pull some sneaky stuff.
2) Blight wasps. Make sure to take at least 1 unit of wasps. Manifest means they hit really hard (and accurately), and the apparition placement from Oracles turns them up to 11.
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Post by maximumhippo on Jun 25, 2017 23:17:26 GMT
2) Blight wasps.[...] and the apparition placement from Oracles turns them up to 11. -und_ed Does that work like that? I mean it should, but still that's hysterical. |
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Whiskie
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Post by Whiskie on Jun 25, 2017 23:31:07 GMT
2) Blight wasps.[...] and the apparition placement from Oracles turns them up to 11. -und_ed Does that work like that? I mean it should, but still that's hysterical. Yes. Blight Wasps are a non-Warlock unit so they get the theme benefit. EDIT: I'm not sure I agree that Neraphs are a straight upgrade over Angels with any caster. Neraphs don't have Overtake which matters massively when you want your heavies to be fighting infantry. Sprint is great but it can be hard to get more than three kills against infantry in a turn with a Neraph. |
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Post by DanX on Jun 26, 2017 0:10:55 GMT
Manifest overtaking angels are better than neraph. But the neraph are a lot cheaper.
Neraph should kill 4 things and cast attractor if it doesn't miss/break armour The angel should kill 6 things if it doesn't miss/break armour. If they are spaced so far the neraph can't get 4, the angelius overtaking for 6. The neraph has plus 1 to hit and damage, so is more likely to kill than the angel. So what I'm saying is it's closer than it might first look.
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Post by maximumhippo on Jun 26, 2017 1:12:31 GMT
Consider what the 10 extra points can get you though. That's 2 Deathstalkers and 2 shepherds, It's a unit of Strider scouts and spell martyr #3. Hell, Drop the two spell martyrs and get a third neraph in there. I think the neraphs might be better unless you're trying to crack a ton of armor. Sprint is super valuable.
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whydak
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Post by whydak on Jun 26, 2017 7:47:11 GMT
I forgot about Wasps, good idea. I see argument for Neraph after playing with Fyanna but as others metioned, here situation is bit different. Will need to test it out. Maybe one Angel and some Neraphs, will see. PS Beatback can count as a pseudo overtake when infantry man survives, tough for example. Any other idea how to cover each other weaknesses in this pair  ? With 2xWasps and 2xAngelius can Thahrosh2 be infantry drop xD? conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0laDaPaPepepaOaRcocob9eLLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Ravens of War (Thagrosh 2) Thagrosh, the Messiah [+25] - Angelius [17] - Angelius [17] - Blight Wasps [8] - Blight Wasps [8] - Seraph [14] - Typhon [24] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] The Forsaken [0(4)] Strider Blightblades [10] And then total brick with Thags1 |
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Post by cainuslupus on Jun 26, 2017 8:11:07 GMT
I forgot about Wasps, good idea. I see argument for Neraph after playing with Fyanna but as others metioned, here situation is bit different. Will need to test it out. Maybe one Angel and some Neraphs, will see. PS Beatback can count as a pseudo overtake when infantry man survives, tough for example. Any other idea how to cover each other weaknesses in this pair ? With 2xWasps and 2xAngelius can Thahrosh2 be infantry drop xD? conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0laDaPaPepepeJaRbeb9bhLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Ravens of War conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0laDaPaPepepaOaRcocob9eLLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Ravens of War (Thagrosh 2) Thagrosh, the Messiah [+25] - Angelius [17] - Angelius [17] - Blight Wasps [8] - Blight Wasps [8] - Seraph [14] - Typhon [24] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] The Forsaken [0(4)] Strider Blightblades [10] And then total brick with Thags1 I run double Wasps in my current Abby2 build. One thing to mention - although Manifest Destiny can make Wasp somewhat decent with dmg output, surfing through infantry will be hampered with 0.5" meelee against spread out infantry. Though I would look if Thags2 Feat springs Killing Spree. If it does it would be insane, giving Wasps two turns of murdering stuff in a row. |
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whydak
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Post by whydak on Jun 26, 2017 8:24:49 GMT
"When a model in target friendly Faction warbeast pack destroys an enemy model with a basic melee attack during its Combat Action, after the attack is resolved it can advance up to 1 and make an additional melee attack. Hornet’s Nest lasts for one turn." Im afraid it won't work. Would be ridiculous |
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unded
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Post by unded on Jun 26, 2017 9:04:03 GMT
I'm not a great fan of wasps outside of Oracles. The apparition is a massive boon.
If you're playing 2 or more flying heavies (I don't consider the Seraph a heavy, it's rather an expensive support beast) then I definitely prefer Oracles to Ravens, since the free Hellion makes a huge difference to their damage output.
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whydak
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Post by whydak on Jun 26, 2017 9:15:57 GMT
Yeah, just had similar idea that migrating list to Oracles should be better.
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Post by neutralyze on Jun 26, 2017 16:37:04 GMT
If you're playing Thags2 Oracles, I have 2 pieces of advice: 1) Neraphs are better than Angels. Cheaper, more base attacks, Higher MAT, sustained attack, and sprint for the hell of it. Take 2, never look back. All they need to work is a dmg buff, and manifest destiny is exactly that. Sprint plus Thaggy's Feat also gives them a ludicrous threat range if you want to pull some sneaky stuff. 2) Blight wasps. Make sure to take at least 1 unit of wasps. Manifest means they hit really hard (and accurately), and the apparition placement from Oracles turns them up to 11. -und_ed Manifest doesn't mean wasps hit really hard or turn them up to an 11. The only warlock we have that turns them to an 11 for one turn is Abby2. |
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unded
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Post by unded on Jun 26, 2017 19:00:24 GMT
You don't think so?
Manifest pushes the average dice roll up (3d6 goes from 10.5 to 12.3), which is a solid gain imo.
Not quite as hefty as what Fyanna2 does for them, but that's no real shock. (I think it's obvious by now I use them more for hitting heavies than for killing infantry)
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Jun 26, 2017 20:41:58 GMT
You should have a look at the Throne. Some changes have happened to it in the last few hours.
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whydak
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Post by whydak on Jun 27, 2017 7:25:20 GMT
I know But Im more happy with CotD change conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0uaCg_aReKbqbbbbfUaXa_b0Legion Army - 71 / 75 points [Theme] Children of the Dragon (Thagrosh 1) Thagrosh, Prophet of Everblight [+28] - Azrael [21] - Typhon [24] - Zuriel [18] Annyssa Ryvaal [8] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Warlord [0(5)] Blighted Nyss Raptors (min) [11] Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (max) [15] - Blighted Nyss Swordsman Abbot & Champion [0(6)] Something like that. But no idea for last 4 points, normally it would be forsaken. Is sucubbus woth it ? Or shredder. Throne is nice but i don't find it must have and I don't like the model. So I don't have it and nobody here can lend me one. Now i need Thagrosh2 who can handle Circle, dodge Cygnar and im happy |
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