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Post by Trefenwyd on Jun 15, 2017 4:28:56 GMT
I have been running infantry heavy since I started MK iii, to what I would consider good success, including a few local tourney wins recently. I've used Bethayne in Ravens, Fyanna in Ravens (both with double Raptors) and Recently Kallus 2 out of theme with raptors and double swordsmen. Fyanna 2 Oracles is a solid list, and there are plenty of beast lists I have tested, from Lylyth 1 Archangel to Thags 1 brick, but I think infantry heavy is very viable. Raptors are all around solid, and swordsmen aren't hard to deliver when you bring 18 of them - along with Raptors, it's usually too many targets to take out completely, and I only need 5 battle lusted weapon masters to put a huge dent in about anything. My warlord did 30 damage to a hydra last game and my remaining swordsmen finished it off easily. While beast heavy can get bogged down fighting infantry/cav, a combo of raptors, swordsmen, and deathstalkers can effectively deal with both jack/beast spam as well as infantry. Just some random thoughts...
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Post by snotling on Jun 15, 2017 6:59:17 GMT
When I first started Legion I ran Lylyth1 with farrow brigands. Her feat won't work on them but everything else will. If you put parasite on their prey target you're looking at pow 17 gun shots followed by pow 15 charges. It's preeeety good. Or pow 19 and pow 17 if you get a kiss off first. Seems ok. Doesnt work. Kiss is friendly faction only
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Post by DakRamsin on Jun 15, 2017 7:10:14 GMT
Or pow 19 and pow 17 if you get a kiss off first. Seems ok. Doesnt work. Kiss is friendly faction only Whhaat. Lame.
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Jun 15, 2017 7:14:09 GMT
My experience with Legion infantry has been that you have to keep them alive with the rest of the army. If your list runs swordsman, you have to run other things to keep them alive. Given that this is Legion, you don't keep them alive by support. You keep them alive by threatening with other things. For example, I run this list:
The Blackfrost Shard, which the list depends on for cracking really high armor, doesn't get targeted because the Ogrun are such a threat. The Warmongers are a tremendous threat to infantry, so I will often jam with rangers to buy the Ogrun time to get the charge.
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Post by snotling on Jun 15, 2017 9:11:22 GMT
No protheus? thats giving up a lot of assasination potential
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kungpoh
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Post by kungpoh on Jun 22, 2017 11:24:30 GMT
The Way CID is going, Hopefully they will address some units Like Warmongers/Warspears and Legionnaires. Maybe giving Ogrun their 8 boxes back could be a start. With legionnaires, maybe having tough of them might bring them in line, at the moment they are too expensive and get out shined by Swordsmen by there better DEF and the ability to have more than one attack each with Wepopn Master
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Jun 22, 2017 15:52:49 GMT
The Way CID is going, Hopefully they will address some units Like Warmongers/Warspears and Legionnaires. Maybe giving Ogrun their 8 boxes back could be a start. So far, tough has saved my Ogrun way more often than 3 extra hit boxes would.
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Post by DanX on Jun 22, 2017 15:53:59 GMT
Really looking to see how much stuff Northkin get.
Trenchers have had, a new warcaster, another warcaster drawn in. Changes to 2 light warjacks. New Solo's and UA. 2 New units.
Probably 6-8 releases.
I'm just dreaming of 6-8 legion releases around a theme. Which theme should it be? Probably Ogrun. Rear Guard theme might be good.
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Post by socialirregular on Jun 22, 2017 17:50:57 GMT
I'm with people who are shouting out the idea of a Thagrosh3 on a huge base. Not sure it would be any good, but holy crap that would be frickin' awesome. (Like an Archangel mashed with Thags).
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Jun 22, 2017 18:04:13 GMT
I'd really like it to focus more on Legionnaires style models. Give us some stuff with tactical importance. Shield guard, defensive strike, counter charge. Things that would directly impact the opponent's turn and movements.
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Post by chillychinaman on Jun 22, 2017 21:41:30 GMT
With legionnaires, maybe having tough of them might bring them in line, at the moment they are too expensive and get out shined by Swordsmen by there better DEF and the ability to have more than one attack each with Wepopn Master Looking at the ryssovass defenders as comparison we get: -defensive line/tough vs wall of steel -Precision Strike vs Vengeance -Weapon master vs CMA -+1MAT for +1pt Personally, I think stacking on armor on melee infantry is a fruitless endeavor given how a boosted 10 has decent chance of killing even ARM20, I think Defensive Line is stronger here, especially with its synergy with Tough. If Legionnaires still had Set Defense, it'd be a closer comparison, but Legionnaires got hit with a double whammy in Mk3 when they up in cost and lost a few special rules. Precision Strike vs Vengeance I think are decent, comparable abilities...until you remember that Ryssovass are all MAT7 weapon masters while Legionnaires are only MAT6 POW10. I'm pretty sure Legionnaires are the weakest Vengeance unit in the game. Finally, WM vs CMA. I've heard the merits of CMA to attack heavy targets, however, it is restricted by the number of meaningful attacks that can be made due to the low MAT and low PS. CMA in other factions is mostly on either harder hitting or cheaper units. Once again, the combination of weak offense and high cost illustrates the destruction of a once fine unit. Legionnaires have to be completely be retooled to compete. Back to the main topic, however, has anyone had any luck writing a Swordsmen list with Kryssa in CotD? I just can't get the points to add right while balancing beasts.
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Jun 22, 2017 22:55:59 GMT
I don't think Tough or Defensive Line is very Legion-y for the Legionnaires. What if when Legionnaires died, they exploded in blighted clouds that damaged things entering or caught in them?
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kungpoh
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Post by kungpoh on Jun 22, 2017 23:38:35 GMT
With legionnaires, maybe having tough of them might bring them in line, at the moment they are too expensive and get out shined by Swordsmen by there better DEF and the ability to have more than one attack each with Wepopn Master Looking at the ryssovass defenders as comparison we get: -defensive line/tough vs wall of steel -Precision Strike vs Vengeance -Weapon master vs CMA -+1MAT for +1pt Personally, I think stacking on armor on melee infantry is a fruitless endeavor given how a boosted 10 has decent chance of killing even ARM20, I think Defensive Line is stronger here, especially with its synergy with Tough. If Legionnaires still had Set Defense, it'd be a closer comparison, but Legionnaires got hit with a double whammy in Mk3 when they up in cost and lost a few special rules. Precision Strike vs Vengeance I think are decent, comparable abilities...until you remember that Ryssovass are all MAT7 weapon masters while Legionnaires are only MAT6 POW10. I'm pretty sure Legionnaires are the weakest Vengeance unit in the game. Finally, WM vs CMA. I've heard the merits of CMA to attack heavy targets, however, it is restricted by the number of meaningful attacks that can be made due to the low MAT and low PS. CMA in other factions is mostly on either harder hitting or cheaper units. Once again, the combination of weak offense and high cost illustrates the destruction of a once fine unit. Legionnaires have to be completely be retooled to compete. Back to the main topic, however, has anyone had any luck writing a Swordsmen list with Kryssa in CotD? I just can't get the points to add right while balancing beasts. Well Children on the Dragon is a hard Theme to make work in the first place by how restricting it is, not allowing you more than one decent Nephilim Heavy.
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tanan
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Post by tanan on Jun 23, 2017 10:09:13 GMT
Back to the main topic, however, has anyone had any luck writing a Swordsmen list with Kryssa in CotD? I just can't get the points to add right while balancing beasts. How about this: [Theme] Children of the Dragon (Kryssa 1) Kryssa, Conviction of Everblight [+31] - Azrael [21] - Nephilim Protector [10] - Succubus [4] Beast Mistress [4] - Harrier [3] - Shredder [4] - Shredder [4] - Shredder [4] - Shredder [4] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Incubus (5) [0(6)] Incubus (5) [0(6)] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (max) [15] Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (max) [15] Spawning Vessel (max) [7] Spawning Vessel (max) [7] --> +1 to start roll, 12 extra points The list is all about making a brutal feat turn. It's also surprisingly resilient thanks Clock of Ash, 10 free incubus and spawning vessels. Two Shredders can be swapped for bloodseer, if you like that +2 to for magic attacks is worth it. The cool little trick in this list is that Beast Mistress Shredders benefit from free charges and runs even if they are outside of her control range. Spawning vessels can also spawn new shredders to her battlegroup even if those shredders are outside of her control range. These shredders can also be forced if there is a Shepherd nearby.
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Post by rhonlore on Jun 23, 2017 10:22:25 GMT
Back to the main topic, however, has anyone had any luck writing a Swordsmen list with Kryssa in CotD? I just can't get the points to add right while balancing beasts. How about this: [Theme] Children of the Dragon (Kryssa 1) Kryssa, Conviction of Everblight [+31] - Azrael [21] - Nephilim Protector [10] - Succubus [4] Beast Mistress [4] - Harrier [3] - Shredder [4] - Shredder [4] - Shredder [4] - Shredder [4] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Incubus (5) [0(6)] Incubus (5) [0(6)] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (max) [15] Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (max) [15] Spawning Vessel (max) [7] Spawning Vessel (max) [7] --> +1 to start roll, 12 extra points The list is all about making a brutal feat turn. It's also surprisingly resilient thanks Clock of Ash, 10 free incubus and spawning vessels. Two Shredders can be swapped for bloodseer, if you like that +2 to for magic attacks is worth it. I like this list a lot. The only thing I don't like is the lack of pathfinder, but that can be worked around.
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