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Post by daimonos on May 30, 2017 22:17:23 GMT
On saturday I will be participating in a steamroller tournament. For this tournament there is a limited number of caster that are allowed. I can choose between Agathia, Aiakos 2, Sturgis 2 and Goreshade 3. I am planning on playing the following list with Goreshade 3:
Theme: Infernal Machines
2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Goreshade, Lord of Ruin - WJ: +27
- Skarlock Thrall - PC: 0
- Seether - PC: 13 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13)
- Seether - PC: 13 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13)
- Deathjack - PC: 23 (Battlegroup Points Used: 1)
Warwitch Siren - PC: 0
Machine Wraith - PC: 2
Carrion Thralls - Leader & 9 Grunts: 10
Soulhunters - Leader & 2 Grunts: 11
Soulhunters - Leader & 4 Grunts: 18
Mechanithralls - Leader & 5 Grunts: 6
- Brute Thrall - PC: 2
- Brute Thrall - PC: 2
- Brute Thrall - PC: 2
Now I need to pair this with a list with one of the other casters and there is the challenge. I have no experience playing anyone of Agathia, Aiakos 2 or Sturgis 2. I thought about switching Denny1 in my ghost fleet list to one of them but I only think that Agathia would stand a chance of running it ok. But maybe I should go with a lot of Banes instead.
A jack heavy list with Aiakos in infernal machine might work. And then I have this list:
Theme: Infernal Machines
0 / 0 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Captain Aiakos - WJ: +29
- Kharybdis - PC: 19 (Battlegroup Points Used: 19)
- Seether - PC: 13 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10)
- Seether - PC: 13
- Malice - PC: 15
- Deathjack - PC: 23
Warwitch Siren - PC: 4
Hellslinger Phantom - PC: 7
Carrion Thralls - Leader & 9 Grunts: 10
About Sturgis I do not have a clue.
I would appreciate if you could share your experience with Agathia, Aiakos or Sturgis. What lists are good with them? Which one to pair with Goreshade?
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Post by Gamingdevil on May 31, 2017 9:53:26 GMT
I think Agathia is pretty decent with Ghost Fleet. Two of the major weaknesses are terrain navigation with all the infantry and ranged RFP. Agathia can pop feat very aggressively and be safe the turn that it matters to alleviate both these problems.
Goreshade 3 doesn't have much for the Skarlock to cast except Syphon Bolt (and he won't get the focus), so meh. Maybe go for a free Skarlock Commander instead?
With Aiakos I would drop the Seethers for a Stalker, WSC and maybe another Siren. Stalkers can scare a lot of people with Assail and feat and you need all the focus efficiency you can get. I would also go more Shield Guard heavy since you're rather vulnerable to shooting.
Sturgis is an ok caster, but he's probably better out of theme until Dark Host comes out. He doesn't help accuracy, so Satyxis are good for him, also Gunslingers.
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Post by daimonos on Jun 1, 2017 5:46:45 GMT
Thanks for your advice! I tested the Goreshade list against Grissel 1 with a lot of beasts. I managed to win by assassination and I am happy with the list's performance, but the Skarlock did not do much as you pointed out. I will exchange it for something else.
At the moment I think I will pair with Agathia and the ghost fleet, but I am looking at changes in the Aiakos list following your comments. I will not be able to test the list before saturday so I will probably go with Agathia.
Have you played Sturgis with a list that you were happy with?
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jun 1, 2017 7:54:39 GMT
It was a while ago, but I think it was something like this: conflictchamber.com/#c4201be91a1a330tf01z1Ag7321R1TgeCryx Army - 75 / 75 points (Sturgis 2) Sturgis the Corrupted [+31] - Defiler [8] - Defiler [8] - Malice [15] - The Withershadow Combine [9] Soul Trapper [1] Bane Warriors (max) [17] - Bane Warrior Officer & Standard [6] Carrion Thralls (max) [10] Cephalyx Overlords [8] Satyxis Blood Witches (max) [13] - Satyxis Blood Hag [4] Satyxis Gunslingers [7] It's a bit of a Stealth skew with Occultation on the Bane Warriors, Prowl on Carrions. Blood Witches can handle infantry and have Blessed weapons. There are a lot of sprays to theoretically take advantage of a good feat drag against infantry. Feat and Malice can enable the Bane Warriors to wreck something. Gunslingers with fodder can protect Sturgis, but also remember that he can camp behind a wall, charge over with Relentless Charge, feat, wreck a bunch of stuff and port back. If you can get him any souls that's also a plus (his weapon is actually Soul Taker this edition). I have only played the list a few times and haven't really unlocked it, might tweak it a bit more if it had, but it did ok and nobody knows what he does, so *shrug* I also had some fun with this Aiakos IM list: conflictchamber.com/#c4201b_-0wgz1whA1f1h0t2k2k2B2B1D1KdQ1D1KdQCryx Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Infernal Machines (Aiakos 2) Captain Aiakos [+29] - Deathjack [23] - Kharybdis [19] - Nightwretch [7] - Stalker [8] - The Withershadow Combine [9] Machine Wraith [2] Machine Wraith [2] Warwitch Siren [0(4)] Warwitch Siren [4] Mechanithralls (min) [6] - Brute Thrall (3) [6] - Skarlock Commander [3] Mechanithralls (min) [6] - Brute Thrall (3) [6] - Skarlock Commander [3] Kharybdis is really disappointing for the price, but I guess he's ok with Aiakos. Commanders on both Thrall units lets you wait until the very last moment to declare Ambush or not. |
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Post by tiberius on Jun 1, 2017 11:13:18 GMT
I enjoy Sturgis quite a bit especially with infantry making a come back in a lot of themes. His feat wrecks infantry heavy armies and he brings tools for a nice armor swing against limited heavies. He is basically a light version of Asphyxious 1. Less focus with some in combat tricks and an interesting feat. I had a lot of fun with him in MKII and his divided we fall theme where you take all the mercenaries. I am not sure how viable that is anymore with themes being so much better than out of theme. Nyss, Croe's, a bokur, Gorman, madaline corbeau and a few others made for a fun time.
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Post by daimonos on Jun 1, 2017 17:23:22 GMT
I spent some time looking at Aiakos and your list Gamingdevil and I think it would be interesting to test it. What is your experience of Carnage? You have to advance up the field to get the full use of it and then you can be in a dangerous position. Has it been useful in your games? Regarding Kharybdis, yes he is expensive but I am going to try him out.
tiberius, so you think that an out of theme list might be the best with Sturgis? But as you say, the theme lists are pretty good. Did you play aggressive with Sturgis? If so, how did you keep him safe? I guess playing safe away from the front Linné will not take advantage of all his abilities.
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Post by Cryptix on Jun 2, 2017 0:40:00 GMT
I play uSturgis (the u is for undead!) as a support for anything that hits fast but not very hard. I like running him with a unit of Witchers and Raiders each because both benefit a lot from parasite, both have a lot of ways to focus on infantry clearing, and Raiders can help him get an assasination with backlash and parasite. Also, because P+S 15 blades are good for killing the abundance of heavy infantry in my area.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jun 2, 2017 6:43:00 GMT
I spent some time looking at Aiakos and your list Gamingdevil and I think it would be interesting to test it. What is your experience of Carnage? You have to advance up the field to get the full use of it and then you can be in a dangerous position. Has it been useful in your games? Regarding Kharybdis, yes he is expensive but I am going to try him out. The list was also because I wanted to try him out. Malice can be swapped in to save some points, but he's still ok enough to have some fun with. Carnage is strictly on a "when you really need it" basis. Beasts and heavies generally don't have that high defense, so some Brutes can deal with them, or even your own heavies. Massed infantry is less likely to get to you when you're nearly empty from upkeeping and casting Carnage, so there it is sometimes useful. You use it roughly once per game, when it really matters and you're able to keep safe. I play uSturgis (the u is for undead!) as a support for anything that hits fast but not very hard. I like running him with a unit of Witchers and Raiders each because both benefit a lot from parasite, both have a lot of ways to focus on infantry clearing, and Raiders can help him get an assasination with backlash and parasite. Also, because P+S 15 blades are good for killing the abundance of heavy infantry in my area. I agree with this. There isn't currently a theme were Sturgis is easy to slot into except maybe Ghost Fleet, but he doesn't do that much for it that another caster wouldn't do better. Playing him with some self-sufficient stuff and simply support them to hit harder/extend their threat seems like the way to go. |
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Post by tiberius on Jun 2, 2017 10:54:52 GMT
I do play him aggressively and always leave enough to teleport him out of danger. Most of my meta is weak on gun lines but heavy on melee centric armies so as long as I have enough bodies in the way, my caster is usually safe. I use the feat to pull in the enemy infantry and group up things nicely for things like a harrower thresher or bile thrall purges or bloat thrall AOEs or Gorman bombs. Enemy infantry that survives the feat do not last long against that sort of corrosion application with little to no chance of missing. I would play him in theme currently, probably in infernal machines.
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