Deller
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Post by Deller on Mar 10, 2017 4:05:00 GMT
Except Cryx isn't under performing. They did extremely well in the Team Tournament. It's people like yourself that seem to think there is such a HUGE gap between the factions. Sorry to burst your bubble... There isn't. Cryx may have performed well at the ATC, but it was on the backs of 5 players doing well, and 1 doing poorly. The other nice statistic from these team events was published drive.google.com/file/d/0B11RUxljf33uM3RTSTBrMUxSazg/view. Cryx was the only faction to leave over 50% of its casters at home. On top of which while Goreshade2 was brought once, he was played 0 times. Cryx is having a huge performance issue right now in the Warcaster department.
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Post by redfive on Mar 10, 2017 8:09:32 GMT
If they did not want curated discussion, the CID forums would not be a thing. Sure. They may want both, but without the undirected commentary on their domain. They're clearly not mutually exclusive, or we wouldn't all be so salty about it. They are not mutually exclusive but it reeks of sour grapes.
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Post by khador247 on Mar 10, 2017 14:15:24 GMT
So instead of having a forum where they could moderate the discussions taking place they instead wanted discussion to be moved to forums like this one where they have no oversight. That doesn't make sense to me. It also doesn't make sense to me from the standpoint that traffic to their website is going to drop. They do have a store on their site so I would think they would want as much traffic as possible.
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Post by Gorbad Ironclaw on Mar 10, 2017 17:24:48 GMT
Except Cryx isn't under performing. They did extremely well in the Team Tournament. It's people like yourself that seem to think there is such a HUGE gap between the factions. Sorry to burst your bubble... There isn't. Cryx may have performed well at the ATC, but it was on the backs of 5 players doing well, and 1 doing poorly. The other nice statistic from these team events was published drive.google.com/file/d/0B11RUxljf33uM3RTSTBrMUxSazg/view. Cryx was the only faction to leave over 50% of its casters at home. On top of which while Goreshade2 was brought once, he was played 0 times. Cryx is having a huge performance issue right now in the Warcaster department. Cryx have a issue with the range of models performing period. It just doesn't feel like there is a lot of width/depth in the faction. Shame really because that's not how it felt in Mk2 (being super powered did sort of help with the ability to just bring whatever), but it's just not a very interesting faction to build lists for at the moment, IMO.
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Post by gunmageintraining on Mar 10, 2017 19:25:18 GMT
Seems like they finally got rid/closed all the critical posts on the general discussion forum. Guess I'm done with PPs forums until they undo some of these changes.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Mar 11, 2017 0:42:02 GMT
My theory is that at some point they had to deal with 3 platforms to interact with community: forums, CID forums and social networks. And that somebody in charge decided it was too much to mantain all 3, and obviously when you cut support for things the old forums are the first thing you'll cut. Bonus points for stopping negative feedback in public forums, but that wasn't the main reason.
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faelin
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Post by faelin on Mar 11, 2017 2:23:52 GMT
We all know the real cause of the forums being shut down. So why argue over it?
It's Hungerford. It's always Hungerford. He's why we can't have nice things.
Also, didn't one of them (PP employees) claim that he enjoyed lathering himself up in oil and going from cube to cube juggling chainsaws? That can't be cheap for PP and their healthcare plan. Probably cut forums to help save money.
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Post by Aegis on Mar 11, 2017 3:34:53 GMT
A big box made of bees, wrapped by bees, delivered by bees and full of bees is coming.
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Deller
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Post by Deller on Mar 11, 2017 4:24:21 GMT
A big box made of bees, wrapped by bees, delivered by bees and full of bees is coming. You have no idea how disappointed I was when I found out Hungerford wasn't the bad guy in Black Mirror Season 3 episode 6.
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Post by havik on Mar 11, 2017 4:51:21 GMT
Except Cryx isn't under performing. They did extremely well in the Team Tournament. It's people like yourself that seem to think there is such a HUGE gap between the factions. Sorry to burst your bubble... There isn't. Cryx may have performed well at the ATC, but it was on the backs of 5 players doing well, and 1 doing poorly. The other nice statistic from these team events was published drive.google.com/file/d/0B11RUxljf33uM3RTSTBrMUxSazg/view. Cryx was the only faction to leave over 50% of its casters at home. On top of which while Goreshade2 was brought once, he was played 0 times. Cryx is having a huge performance issue right now in the Warcaster department. You both should listen to fully boosted 36 on Muse. they had one of the players from the winning team at the ATC. I was amazed how they basically said they had 2 players that were there to be thrown under the bus and draw out scary matches so that they could guarantee 3 wins a round. So as far as cryx doing well, a lot of it has to do with scewing as hard as possible and then drawing out a match that they couldnt lose to... and since Im a nice guy, here is the link museonminis.com/fully-boosted-episode-36/
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Deller
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Post by Deller on Mar 11, 2017 5:36:24 GMT
I've listened to the cast. The winning strategy many Cryx players used at the ATC was a strategy I've been saying makes Cryx amazing and team tournaments the best case scenario environment for months. Throw teammates under the bus and get an incorporeal skew list into a player that couldn't handle it. It worked 11/12 times it was done. Unfortunately that strategy doesn't work nearly as well in a 2 list masters environment where I feel playing something like Skarre1 double Wraith Engines leaves you with way too many holes in your list pair. Your second list is going to need to handle everything that brings multiple enough Magic Weapons to chew through your incorporeal, which is actually more than people realize. It's a great list for catching people with their pants down, but because of how binary Incorporeal is it's a list that's insanely difficult to pilot to victory in a bad matchup, and it has a lot of bad matchups.
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Post by HeadHunter on Mar 11, 2017 5:48:12 GMT
Someone on the Tabletop Minions FB page had a good observation: Most of the moderators and admins on the PP forums were volunteers, too. I'm wondering if there might have been a "force reduction" eliminating all of the non-PP employees from the equation, necessitating a similar downsizing in the scope of the forums too. It can't just be the Press Gangers that had PP worried. If that went the way it did with MtG, it could have happened to the forum volunteers too.
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Post by Blargaliscious on Mar 11, 2017 6:53:38 GMT
I've listened to the cast. The winning strategy many Cryx players used at the ATC was a strategy I've been saying makes Cryx amazing and team tournaments the best case scenario environment for months. Throw teammates under the bus and get an incorporeal skew list into a player that couldn't handle it. It worked 11/12 times it was done. Unfortunately that strategy doesn't work nearly as well in a 2 list masters environment where I feel playing something like Skarre1 double Wraith Engines leaves you with way too many holes in your list pair. Your second list is going to need to handle everything that brings multiple enough Magic Weapons to chew through your incorporeal, which is actually more than people realize. It's a great list for catching people with their pants down, but because of how binary Incorporeal is it's a list that's insanely difficult to pilot to victory in a bad matchup, and it has a lot of bad matchups. I want to thank havik for putting that link up. It gave me a much better understanding about what all of this team tournament stuff is all about. It also made it a lot more apparent that any of the list info that comes out of the team championships needs to be viewed through the lens of heavy list skew.
OK, Deller - since I'm a stupid Khador player who is only trying to dabble with Cryx for giggles, what would an incorporeal skew look like? How would it work? Are the double Wraith Engines part of it? How does Skarre1 work with double wraith engines? I ask because I was going to do a Denny2 Tier4 list for Mk2, but didn't get it together in time, yet I do have 5 painted Machine Wraiths sitting around now...
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Post by Blargaliscious on Mar 11, 2017 6:57:54 GMT
Someone on the Tabletop Minions FB page had a good observation: Most of the moderators and admins on the PP forums were volunteers, too. I'm wondering if there might have been a "force reduction" eliminating all of the non-PP employees from the equation, necessitating a similar downsizing in the scope of the forums too. It can't just be the Press Gangers that had PP worried. If that went the way it did with MtG, it could have happened to the forum volunteers too. Wow!!!
*THAT* is an interesting counter to my theory I started this thread with.
In my defense, I'll counter that it might have been a "Two birds with one stone" thing also.
Wait, hang on, this is Warmahordes... "Two Griffons with one Bombard" thing...
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Deller
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Post by Deller on Mar 11, 2017 8:35:31 GMT
Personally if I were to go with a full Incorporeal skew I'd play something similar to Brandon Andrew's ATC list found: conflictchamber.com/#bk1b0R1w191z1A1z1A2b2o2o2of02k2kgs__0F2Ad-d-3b2b2E2k2k2k2n2obBbBgsPossibly change the Battlegroup around a bit, maybe try to add a Kraken so I have 3 huge bases, but the Core for the Incorporeal spam list is Skarre1, 2 Wraith Engines, Max Blackbane's, and Machine Wraiths. I'm not sold on playing the list in the Ghost Fleet theme because I don't think the Theme Force offers enough to the Incorporeal package, and many of the casters who make the Incorporeal package shine like Skarre1 lose a lot from the restrictions (Spell Slave in Skarre's case, Deathjack in Deneghra2's). Incorporeal skew works by just being impossible to interact with. If your opponent hasn't brought magic weapons the only thing they have that can kill your army is their caster making assassination very easy. You can just run headfirst at their caster since there's literally nothing they can do about it aside from committing & exposing their caster. I personally prefer Skarre1 for the package for the Feat. Her feat makes Wraith Engines stupid hard to kill, and lets you charge them in and make attacks without them being 100% dead to retaliation as well as Dark Guidance just being amazing for Mat 6 Blackbane's. Take a list pair like Nigel's ATC pairing: conflictchamber.com/#bj1b8D7t7t7t7t7t7t7t7t7t7t86gv___-0f767p7pgr8taF7R7W7T7R7T7W7X7W7X7W7- How is that list pair suppose to Deal with 2 Incorporeal Battle Engines and a fully incorporeal unit that converts living enemy models it kills into new incorporeal models? The only Magic Weapons outside of the Warcasters are the ones granted by the objective, and that only lasts for as long as it remains unkilled, and only helps a single model. The Cryx list is borderline untouchable in this case. On the flip side a list pair like www.discountgamesinc.com/tournaments/players/view/1334 or a Wurmwood list like www.discountgamesinc.com/tournaments/players/view/1360 is just going to run you down no problem.
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