regleant
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Post by regleant on May 22, 2017 5:48:01 GMT
All laughter aside, I have been looking at Parasite and wondering what I could do with that. Also, Death March is a pretty awesome spell. I just have to ignore the fact that over half the time he doesn't have much of a feat. I wanted to build a list that could handle the Khador List Chicken problem, in that Harkevich 7 jacks gets paired with Vlad 9 Rocketeers... Not easy to handle both at the same time!
Enter the Armor-hater who also hates Infantry.
Lord Tyrant Hexeris:
- Mammoth
- Krea
- Razor Worm
Swordsmen + CA
Reivers + CA
Beast Handlers
Extoller Soulward x2
Blood Runner Master Tormenter
I'm not yet sold on the BRMT and Double Soulwards, but not withstanding: It's got a healthy mix of long-range powerful shooting, solid in-melee capability, great Fury Management (don't need Enrage to shoot things), and Hexy himself can be damn-near unkillable, sitting at a possible DEF 17 ARM 21 against shooting, allowing him to play forward to feat on Winterguard, Idrians, or Mage Hunters that are popular here.
That said, I think the game may go haywire with any Shield Guards (e.g. CoC theme, Vyros2) that prevents me from landing shots where I want to. And generally, it's a lot of pieces that need to synergize well for maximum effect, which means it may end up kinda' clunky on the table top.
Any thoughts?
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Post by dessert hydra on May 22, 2017 7:51:51 GMT
I've always wanted to find ways to get Hex1 to work. Parasite is such a superb spell.. I've always liked Nihlators with Hex1 with death march giving them the threat extender and MAT9 means they will normally always hit. Still the swordsmen are no slouches
Like you said he's bad matchups IMHO to many to make him a top line caster. Anyway that doesn't stop him being a fun caster to drop
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regleant
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Post by regleant on May 22, 2017 8:00:12 GMT
Like you said he's bad matchups IMHO to many to make him a top line caster. Anyway that doesn't stop him being a fun caster to drop This is feedback I'm looking for. I am accepting that half the time he simply doesn't have a feat. If we remove that portion of it, what are his bad match-ups? Other than Shield Guards, what don't I want to drop into? That said, maybe I should find some way to drop Orin into the list... I also see Electroleap giving me a bad day as all of the infantry die to a stiff breeze. |
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Post by bloodsplatterartist on May 22, 2017 10:19:04 GMT
I've been seriously eyeing hexy1 as well. We'll probably be seeing alot more infantry on the field once sr2017 hits. Plus as more themes come out for specific unit types you'll see more as well.
As much as the menoth guys complained about it the examplar theme is really good. High rat weapon masters without tough is exactly what hexeris1 wants to waterfall through with his feat.
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Post by dessert hydra on May 22, 2017 11:07:08 GMT
Like you said he's bad matchups IMHO to many to make him a top line caster. Anyway that doesn't stop him being a fun caster to drop This is feedback I'm looking for. - Cygnar and particularly Nemo3 electro death - Light jack spam like Raza dervishes to many targets for parasite and not enough high value ones. or bunny ranch - Tough crummy dudespam like Cephalyx/ghost fleet - Stay death or Martyrdom from Harby ruin the feat. I'm going to have a quick whine in that I'm forever toolbox list building thinking about how to solve problems.. when what I should be doing is building lists to force my opponent to do the problem solving.. Its probably because I not a good player.. |
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cassus
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Post by cassus on May 22, 2017 11:25:12 GMT
I have had some really good success with hexy1 in theme with winds of death, I know it sounds crazy but hear my out.
Hexy1
-Cannoneer
-Cannoneer
-Cannoneer
-Krea
Venator Dakar
Venator Dakar
Soulward - free with theme
Soulward - Free with theme
Min Beast handlers
Max Venator reivers
-UA
Max Slingers
With his parasite on an armor 20 Khador jack it makes your slingers, reivers, and Dakar's able to effectively hurt them while the cannoneers work over another jack. If the kador player is running light infantry to screen his jacks put death march up on the slingers. Keep the Krea forward screened by your infantry and use it to channel through with soul slave.
By the time your opponent gets into melee with you they will be heavily damaged and easy enough for a cannoneer to finish off because their maces go up to effective pow 21 with enrage on them and parasite on their charge target.
Also the soulwards are great assassination solo's against Karcheve because while he is reparable he is considered to still be a living model and with str12 it makes their shot pow18 with a boosting mechanic.
Granted into a faster khador list like Harkovitch I dont know that this would be as good but I think it would put up a strong fight.
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Post by Cryptix on May 22, 2017 13:26:20 GMT
I really don't get the "can't hurt armor" meme, considering that versus a Heavy a Reiver CRA is POW 17, the Catapult is POW 21, the Reiver cannon is POW 18, and the Cannoneer is POW 18 boostable. I think he's fine.
Plus his feat is a lot more useful with all these infantry themes coming out - he managed to kill 3/4 an Exemplar Interdiction army with two units of Reivers, and the rest died from Slinger corrosion.
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Post by sentinel on May 22, 2017 15:04:35 GMT
Maybe Rasheth could do work better? He still debuffs heavies same as effective (even better on a feat turn). And he blocks opponents arcnodes. And with running slingers as arcnodes you can place very nice acid clouds. I'm looking forward to try this list (he seems a little better than Hexeris1 into cygnar):
(Rasheth 1) Dominar Rasheth [+28]
- Basilisk Krea [7]
- Titan Gladiator [15]
- Titan Sentry [15]
- Titan Sentry [15]
Venator Dakar [0(4)]
Venator Dakar [0(4)]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (min) [5]
Venator Reivers (max) [15]
- Venator Reiver Officer & Standard [4]
Venator Reivers (max) [15]
- Venator Reiver Officer & Standard [4]
Venator Slingers (min) [8]
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Post by sentinel on May 23, 2017 6:03:26 GMT
Also put together Hexeris1 list i want to test:
[Theme] Winds of Death
(Hexeris 1) Lord Tyrant Hexeris [+28]
- Archidon [10]
- Archidon [10]
- Titan Gladiator [15]
Mortitheurge Willbreaker [0(4)]
Venator Dakar [4]
Venator Dakar [4]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (max) [7]
Venator Catapult Crew [0(5)]
Venator Catapult Crew [0(5)]
Venator Reivers (max) [15]
- Venator Reiver Officer & Standard [4]
Siege Animantarax (CID) [17]
Siege Animantarax (CID) [17]
With critical pitch and KD catapults should find their targets and do serious damage.
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didder
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Post by didder on May 23, 2017 13:30:15 GMT
You might be able to do without beast handlers in the original list in order to fit in Orin. Personally, I'd like a min unit of karax in there though.
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regleant
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Post by regleant on May 24, 2017 1:56:33 GMT
You might be able to do without beast handlers in the original list in order to fit in Orin. Personally, I'd like a min unit of karax in there though. I thought about it, but then lose Fury Management and mid - late game hitting power from the Mammoth. Though more curious, why the Karax in this list? Just to give everybody blast immunity? |
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didder
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Post by didder on May 25, 2017 16:43:58 GMT
You might be able to do without beast handlers in the original list in order to fit in Orin. Personally, I'd like a min unit of karax in there though. I thought about it, but then lose Fury Management and mid - late game hitting power from the Mammoth. Though more curious, why the Karax in this list? Just to give everybody blast immunity? Blast Immunity is an important part of it, but since you have the Krea Aura it's not the real reason. your list has no way to speed up the Swordsmen or the Mammoth besides vengeance moves. The BRMT and Razor Wurm can run interference, but both want to sprint away rather than get in the way, especially the wurm who wants to arc. Swordsmen aren't necessarily slow, but they aren't that fast either. They will get alpha'd sometimes, and Swordsmen die quite easily to melee. I suggested the min Karax for either bubble wrapping the Mammoth, or running to jam in front of the Swordsmen, depending on the table state.
I just don't like to see any list that has 100% models who hate getting engaged.
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