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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 14:46:52 GMT
So I am enjoying our newest warlock, Trogdor the Burninator...I mean Kallus 2. I have a few different builds for him, however the current list I have settled on playing for the next month or two is:
Theme: Ravens of War
2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Kallus, Devastation of Everblight - WB: +28
- Archangel - PC: 37 (Battlegroup Points Used: 28)
- Angelius - PC: 17
- Naga Nightlurker - PC: 8
Grotesque Assassin - PC: 0
The Forsaken - PC: 0
Spell Martyr - PC: 1
Grotesque Raiders - Leader & 9 Grunts: 12
Blighted Nyss Raptors - Leader & 4 Grunts: 18
Strider Blightblades - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10
Sometimes I want to trade the naga for a raek, but otherwise I like the list. Its highly mobile, flexible, and can take full advantage of Kallus's toolkit. However, I am planning to play this a part of a tournament pairing for a team tournament that does not allow for caster duplicates, and there is another legion player will be playing fyanna 2, which would be my first choice. I have several other lists and ideas in my head, however I am struggling to settle on a caster that pairs well with this kallus build. It's a fairly well rounded list, and can play into a variety of things. I think a team with double legion is probably particularly vulnerable to cygnar, however I am loathe to bring a straight cygnar answer, and the other legion player will probably cover cygnar better (lylyth2/fyanna2). I'm not fond of playing lylyth 3, and I feel like kallus already assassinates well enough. I am leaning towards something more attrition based. Figured I would throw this out here to see if anyone has any angles/ideas I hadn't thought of.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 19, 2017 16:46:41 GMT
How do you feel about trying to play a control caster? I think trying to find a list to pick up more scenario points could be a big deal. I don't expect a lot will be focuses on it so if you do, you might help your team come out on top in tie breakers. Saeryn 1 is actually really strong, but Thagrosh 1 is more popular and its hard to deny his capabilities.
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Post by Whiskie on May 19, 2017 16:55:09 GMT
Not sure that I'm too crazy about taking a Gargantuan with Kallus2 since they can't be moved with Overrun, but that's beside the point of the thread.
Cygnar is definitely tough for Legion and you can bet that in a team tournament environment any Cygnar player worth their salt is going to be angling to get matched up against one of your two Legion players. Going in without a decent Cygnar answer will be risky but it's not impossible.
You have a few options. The Twins compliment a lot of Legion Warlocks pretty well. They bring Occultation to the table which helps into the match ups where a lot of guns are a factor like Khador rocket spam, Bunny Ranch etc. There are a couple builds which can work:
JVM's
Saeryn & Rhyas
- Zuriel
- Seraph
- Nephilim Protector
- Naga Nightlurker
Wrongeye & Snapjaw
Annyssa Ryvaal
Totem Hunter
2x Deathstalker
2x Grotesque Assassin
Shepherd
Spell Martyr
Another possibility is:
Saeryn & Rhyas
- Zuriel
- Scythean
- Seraph
- Nephilim Protector
Wrongeye & Snapjaw
Blackfrost Shard
2x Deathstalker
Gremlin Swarm
2x Shepherd
The first one is stronger against Cygnar due to the presence of the Naga and it has more solos that can be problems for them. Annyssa with Wraithbane is pretty popular against Storm Lances for example. That being said the Gremlin Swarm from the second list can be great at absorbing electro-leaps. Both lists are pretty much a Stealth skew that use Star-crossed to take high DEF through the roof. Rhyas protected by Guard Dog is pretty funny in the Star-crossed bubble. Both lists have plenty of game into stuff that isn't Cygnar. The second one is better against stuff like Makeda2 Cat Spam because of the presence of the Scythean which brings Grievous Wounds as an animus.
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Post by princeraven on May 20, 2017 4:14:08 GMT
Kallus 2 tends to be a bit vulnerable to assassination so I'd say a warlock who's fairly resilient to assassination like Twins, Thagrosh 1 or Vayl 2.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 5:06:57 GMT
I don't think I have the practice time I need to get a feel for Saeryn, although I'm not entirely against the idea. Thags is always a solid option.
Twins were my favorite in the last days of mk2. played them alot, and would relish a reason to get them back on the table. They take game time, but when you get it right, they are very rewarding. And stealth skew feels worthy enough in the meta in general (I've been touched in bad ways by Ossrum). Have you had to play against cat spam? All the skorne players in my meta kept trying to play non-sense like Xerxes 2.
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Post by Whiskie on May 20, 2017 18:28:29 GMT
I don't think I have the practice time I need to get a feel for Saeryn, although I'm not entirely against the idea. Thags is always a solid option. Twins were my favorite in the last days of mk2. played them alot, and would relish a reason to get them back on the table. They take game time, but when you get it right, they are very rewarding. And stealth skew feels worthy enough in the meta in general (I've been touched in bad ways by Ossrum). Have you had to play against cat spam? All the skorne players in my meta kept trying to play non-sense like Xerxes 2. The Twins absolutely murder Cat Spam if you bring a Scythean. Both the Scythean and Rhyas ignore Stay Death and Tough so the cats fold with ridiculous ease. |
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Post by DanX on May 20, 2017 21:56:52 GMT
I want a caster with a str buff, and some control element who is hard to shoot. So I'm looking at Abby1 with a mix of beasts in OoA paired with Kallus2 Ravens of war, and all the grotesques. I'll be trying it out tomorrow I hope.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 11:12:27 GMT
Oddly enough I just tested out an Abby 1 oracles list. ran it into harkevich, did fine. I think there is potential there, although there are probably some tweaks needed on the list i played. I like her shtick in oracles, but not sure i would drop her into cygnar.
Theme: Oracles of Annihilation
4 / 4 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Absylonia, Terror of Everblight - WB: +31
- Archangel - PC: 37 (Battlegroup Points Used: 31)
- Proteus - PC: 19
- Neraph - PC: 12
- Nephilim Protector - PC: 10
- Ravagore - PC: 19
- Nephilim Soldier - PC: 9
The Forsaken - PC: 0
The Forsaken - PC: 0
Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion - PC: 0
Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion - PC: 0
Was trying to offer multiple opportunities to use forced evo. Protector makes the archangel harder to focus fire down. Ravagore didn't do enough though. Such an overpriced beast. although throws plus blight burst is decent. I think i really want to squeeze BFS in there to get stationery though. MAT 6 on the archangel can be so frustrating sometimes.
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Post by Cheesebeard on May 21, 2017 17:26:39 GMT
Oddly enough I just tested out an Abby 1 oracles list. ran it into harkevich, did fine. I think there is potential there, although there are probably some tweaks needed on the list i played. I like her shtick in oracles, but not sure i would drop her into cygnar. Theme: Oracles of Annihilation 4 / 4 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Absylonia, Terror of Everblight - WB: +31 - Archangel - PC: 37 (Battlegroup Points Used: 31) - Proteus - PC: 19 - Neraph - PC: 12 - Nephilim Protector - PC: 10 - Ravagore - PC: 19 - Nephilim Soldier - PC: 9 The Forsaken - PC: 0 The Forsaken - PC: 0 Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion - PC: 0 Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion - PC: 0 Was trying to offer multiple opportunities to use forced evo. Protector makes the archangel harder to focus fire down. Ravagore didn't do enough though. Such an overpriced beast. although throws plus blight burst is decent. I think i really want to squeeze BFS in there to get stationery though. MAT 6 on the archangel can be so frustrating sometimes. I like the list - Absylonia1 benefits more from Oracles than most others - and agree with the Ravagore sentiment... it is challenging to feel good about it these days. For Cygnar, dodging is honestly our best option right now; they have so many tools to ignore our strengths and capitalize on our weaknesses, while also bringing very serious problems that we must respond to or get ground into dust. If pairing with the OP Kallus2 list, however, I wouldn't want to run Archangel in both lists because of how fragile it is for its point cost, and some lists will absolutely shred it or control it into a 37 pt paperweight, making it a liability. We always have assassination, though, so I would consider tuning the Kallus2 list more towards assassination for hail-mary desperation matchups. |
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