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Post by misericord on May 17, 2017 10:28:40 GMT
Greek Masters is done. A sweet victory for Cryx. It was a really hard final game with a lucky spike roll that granted the win against a very tough opponent. Lists and results: page5.gr/greekmasters17/
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Post by tiberius on May 17, 2017 12:03:14 GMT
Congratulations! Who was the finals against?
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Post by Gamingdevil on May 17, 2017 14:29:06 GMT
Congratulations! Who was the finals against? I would assume Legion as that guy has the highest SoS, so played against strong players all tournament and likely the winner as well.
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walden
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Post by walden on May 17, 2017 14:56:57 GMT
Double raiders I see. I'm somewhat surprised theres no ghost fleet.
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Post by Kavrae on May 17, 2017 15:38:38 GMT
Double raiders I see. I'm somewhat surprised theres no ghost fleet. That surprised me as well. Double Satyxis seemed to be the annoying standard before themes, but then Ghost Fleet came along and started to have really good tournament showings. I was also happily surprised to see Deneghra3 in there.
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Post by walden on May 17, 2017 20:00:41 GMT
Double raiders I see. I'm somewhat surprised theres no ghost fleet. That surprised me as well. Double Satyxis seemed to be the annoying standard before themes, but then Ghost Fleet came along and started to have really good tournament showings. I was also happily surprised to see Deneghra3 in there. I used raiders for the first time in a while. I had forgotten how solid they are.
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Post by misericord on May 18, 2017 8:13:07 GMT
Final game was against Legion Lylith3.
I pretty much use Denny3 against her cause it resolves a lot of problems for me. It is hard to kill a full camped Denny3 that doesnt get stationary and when you miss you are pushed back d3".
My Denny3 resolved pretty much every horde much up so far apart from the Tree. Skorne Makeda / Raseth was easily resolved. Trollbloods suffer against mortality spam and I can shoot down Legion paper beasts from 18" away with Leviathans. I dont even bother to kill beasts anymore. I just feat. Spam mortality. Do enough damage to shut down the appropriate branch and move on. Next round I finish off what I need. I never rush the scenario with Denny3.
During this event I had to play Coven though. I ve made a huge mistake sending my trial list for Denny3 using Bara instead of WSC. So no magical shooting = No threat against Lylith's windwall. So Coven all the way. Feat Turn one. Jam with Satyxis turn 2 and kill 2 out of 3 shepherds losing my arc node for that. Next round 2 of his beasts went hot. So I won on scenario 5-2. Basically I rolled my dice 9 times during the final game. 2 times to kill the shepherds and 7 times to kill his Typhoon in order to clear the zone. Lost pretty much every raiders, 1 seether and my arc node.
Very tough game against an opponent who went 5-1 on WTC with Legion.
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Post by jest on May 18, 2017 14:40:16 GMT
Final game was against Legion Lylith3. I pretty much use Denny3 against her cause it resolves a lot of problems for me. It is hard to kill a full camped Denny3 that doesnt get stationary and when you miss you are pushed back d3". My Denny3 resolved pretty much every horde much up so far apart from the Tree. Skorne Makeda / Raseth was easily resolved. Trollbloods suffer against mortality spam and I can shoot down Legion paper beasts from 18" away with Leviathans. I dont even bother to kill beasts anymore. I just feat. Spam mortality. Do enough damage to shut down the appropriate branch and move on. Next round I finish off what I need. I never rush the scenario with Denny3. During this event I had to play Coven though. I ve made a huge mistake sending my trial list for Denny3 using Bara instead of WSC. So no magical shooting = No threat against Lylith's windwall. So Coven all the way. Feat Turn one. Jam with Satyxis turn 2 and kill 2 out of 3 shepherds losing my arc node for that. Next round 2 of his beasts went hot. So I won on scenario 5-2. Basically I rolled my dice 9 times during the final game. 2 times to kill the shepherds and 7 times to kill his Typhoon in order to clear the zone. Lost pretty much every raiders, 1 seether and my arc node. Very tough game against an opponent who went 5-1 on WTC with Legion. Mind sharing what your typical game is with Denny3? Which turn do you feat and how do you use it? Shoot with Leviathan's then Jam?
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Post by misericord on May 18, 2017 17:09:49 GMT
This is the list I am playing (proxying since dead caine is not in stores yet): conflictchamber.com/#b41beZ191s1s0thC9i9uf01N1P1N1PCryx Army - 75 / 75 points !!! Your army contains a pre-release entry. (Deneghra 3) Deneghra, the Soul Weaver [+27] - Deathripper [6] - Leviathan [16] - Leviathan [16] - The Withershadow Combine [9] Hellslinger Phantom [7] Ogrun Bokur [5] Ragman [4] Soul Trapper [1] Satyxis Raiders (max) [16] - Satyxis Raider Sea Witch [3] Satyxis Raiders (max) [16] - Satyxis Raider Sea Witch [3] Deployment. I deploy both levis really close to denny so I can control special shots with ogrun pretty much most of the time. Arc node goes to the opposite side of the model I am going to target in 2nd turn. Raiders either go each side or one full unit behind the other (it depends on the scenario). Dead Caine is deployed according to the solo I want down during 2nd turn. My first impression was Orin but he is not much of a threat to Denny due to feat. He basically cant stop mortality casted using souls and he is dead after that due to either her spray or dead Caine. My typical 1st round, I just reposition (if needed) and run to the edge of threat ranges. I rarely jam with raiders. My opponents usually come to me since raiders are hard to remove with shooting and levis + phantom + spray demolish first waves. Grave wind goes either to denny or the node. It depends on the opponent s list. 2nd round is pretty much 90% of the game for me. I have to decide to feat or not. My magic number is 3. If I can acquire 3 souls before I activate denny using phantom or trapper or the combine (or any combination of these 3), I manage without the feat. But pretty much that is a rare case. So basically I run the node, feat, load levis, spam mortality / ghostly. Then shoot from 13" away and charge with raiders. I have to make this clear here. I use the jacks and her spray as a way to push the opponent to come to me. I never rush my 2nd turn. Its either combo shoot / charge or I dont feat at all. I can wait at the edges of the zones for an eternity if needed. If I go all out with just shooting is not working. Another point here is this. I never try to force kill my opponents heavies. Once mind or spirit are done I move to the next heavy. Mortality does the trick for me here. It is very hard to resolve raiders with less dice to hit or even better no forcing. Also, i always sacrifice my node this turn. Denny spd9 mortality range 10 and reposition 5 dont need a node to cast. Round 3. I finish what i left the previous round and mortality new target. It is essential to have acquired some souls on "soul banks" during turn 2. My usual soul bank is dead caine. During turn 4 all the main threat are gone. It is really hard to kill a 17/21 caster with 18 boxes who can fly, threat 14" and can cast ghostly at will. So basically I start hunting down the opponent caster, if scenario is not over by then. Ofcourse there is always the pop and drop 2nd turn assassination potential, but my opponents pretty much never fell for this. Roughly thats about it. Sorry for the wall of text.
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Post by jest on May 18, 2017 18:03:51 GMT
Thanks for the write up, thats great. I have been playing Denny 1 with Leviathans and believe they are underrated.
I imagine her spray requires focus to hit/boost but that's ok given you can reposition out of melee threat and not have to care as much.
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Post by Gamingdevil on May 19, 2017 7:34:02 GMT
Roughly thats about it. Sorry for the wall of text. No need to apologise, that's a good write-up, makes me want to give it a shot.
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Post by jonesyr123 on Jun 5, 2017 14:02:55 GMT
When you say you want 3 souls in any combination on the WSC hellslinger or soultrapper if the souls are on multiple models how do you get them all back to Denny?
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Post by misericord on Jun 5, 2017 21:28:46 GMT
Usually I use one of the satyxis unit to kill nearby model so i can feed the trapper. Then i activate the trapper move forward and pass to denny. Then the 2nd satyxis unit is activated, feed the trapper again so when denny activates i can soul weaver him.
If that never happens i use the phantom.
If that is not the case and i absolutely need to go all out, i feat.
Opponent's list pretty much dictates the tempo here. Usually a jamming unit works wonders. I actually beg for jamming units with denny. Dont forget that she can harvest her own souls using melee attacks. Basically charge kill cast buy kill cast and so on till you are rdy to reposition out of threat ranges.
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Post by jonesyr123 on Jun 6, 2017 13:14:20 GMT
Thanks for the help gonna be trying your list out because I really like denny3 so this insight on how you at her is really helpful.
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Post by krawat on Jun 13, 2017 13:11:31 GMT
Misericord do You think that Infernal Machines version of Your list can work ? I am looking for a 2nd list to GF and I like Denny3 due to fact she is not easy to kill by Legion. Here is my take
Denny3 Withershadow Combine Leviathan Leviathan Deathripper
McThralls + 3xBrutes McThralls + 2xBrutes
So I got 5 shield guards now
Hellslinger SoulTrapper
Wraith Engine
I got 10 points left for Carrion Thralls or maybe more McThralls. I also didn't use free points but plan to use Necrosurgeon.
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