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Post by gunndrakcapthide on May 1, 2017 23:17:28 GMT
Posted this on Reddit as well. I received an email from them this morning about the change. Not surprising, considering GW is allowing 15%. Other stores are likely to follow.
I never liked the Free Rider policy. 10% off was just too low of a discount when taking shipped into account (I think that might have been the point). It seemed reactionary, and also user-hostile to brand people "free riders" for wanting cheaper prices for models that are right up with GW in terms of price. I totally get the reason of wanting to bolster FLGSs, but there could have been better ways of going about it, like brick and mortar exclusives.
Also, here's a fun fact: The guy they quoted in their initial Free Rider announcement, the owner of Black Diamond Games in Concord, CA, intentionally ran his WH/H scene into the ground before making that quote. Take that how you will.
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Post by Cryptix on May 2, 2017 0:10:37 GMT
Meh, I'll still be using discount games.
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Post by gunndrakcapthide on May 2, 2017 0:25:06 GMT
That was pretty lame of PP to label DGI a Free Rider, considering that one, he has a brick and mortar store, and two, he's a huge boon to the community with his podcasts.
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Post by Ganso on May 2, 2017 1:21:18 GMT
DGI is doing 15% discount also, btw
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Post by Cryptix on May 2, 2017 1:53:51 GMT
DGI is doing 15% discount also, btw I'm fairly certain is 35% unless I'm misunderstanding the meaning of MSRP. |
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Post by gunndrakcapthide on May 2, 2017 2:47:09 GMT
Some of their stuff has deeper discounts that others, but it doesn't look like any of it is 35%.
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Post by Cryptix on May 2, 2017 2:50:34 GMT
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Post by gunndrakcapthide on May 2, 2017 3:13:56 GMT
The box itself, at retail has a price that is 35% off compared if you bought everything in the box separately.
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Post by Cryptix on May 2, 2017 3:19:49 GMT
Ah, that explains it.
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Post by pangurban on May 2, 2017 7:11:02 GMT
I never liked the Free Rider policy. 10% off was just too low of a discount when taking shipped into account (I think that might have been the point). It seemed reactionary, and also user-hostile to brand people "free riders" for wanting cheaper prices for models that are right up with GW in terms of price. I totally get the reason of wanting to bolster FLGSs, but there could have been better ways of going about it, like brick and mortar exclusives. Couple of points, aside from my personal feelings regarding the policy: - online stores that do nothing for the community while still making money from that same community are free riders. The customers are not. PP never put that label on players. They never put that label on stores like DGI either, although DGI obviously did get caught in the net of a blanket policy too - shipping costs are not mentioned in the policy and a lot of online stores do free shipping over a certain amount - b&m exclusives suck for players who don't have a b&m in reasonable distance |
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Post by wishing on May 2, 2017 11:23:21 GMT
- b&m exclusives suck for players who don't have a b&m in reasonable distance True, and it's kind of a no-win situation for PP if they want to help B&M/LGS stores somehow. There are basically two groups of customers out there - those that have the option of buying from a B&M or online, and those that only have the option of buying online. PP want to influence the first group to not buy online, to help out LGS - but I don't see how they can do that without harming or excluding the second group, for whom going to a LGS is not an option. But I guess that is part of the point somehow. If you live in a place where your LGS doesn't carry WM, but you want B&M exclusives, then PP want you to go to your LGS and badger them to start carrying WM. That would help PP. If you live in a backwater town or country that have no LGS at all, then you should open one and carry WM. Not very helpful to the customer in an immediate kind of way, but you can see how it all ties in with PP's business interests in the greater scheme of things. |
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Post by pangurban on May 2, 2017 16:41:27 GMT
But I guess that is part of the point somehow. If you live in a place where your LGS doesn't carry WM, but you want B&M exclusives, then PP want you to go to your LGS and badger them to start carrying WM. That would help PP. If you live in a backwater town or country that have no LGS at all, then you should open one and carry WM. Not very helpful to the customer in an immediate kind of way, but you can see how it all ties in with PP's business interests in the greater scheme of things. Not denying PP has a vested interest in increasing the number of outlets for their products, but so far they've chosen not to use b&m exclusives to further that end. I'm not really happy with players making that suggestion in their place. |
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Post by Ganso on May 2, 2017 21:18:07 GMT
but so far they've chosen not to use b&m exclusives to further that end. I'm not really happy with players making that suggestion in their place. Not all B&Ms are the shining example of ethical business practices people think they are, just like online retailers, B&Ms have their own vices. Like, for example, eBay-ing off those B&M exclusives for a profit, much like how they do with the FFG OP Kits (or any companies OP Kit with a promo worth more than the cost of the kit). |
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Post by pangurban on May 2, 2017 21:29:09 GMT
but so far they've chosen not to use b&m exclusives to further that end. I'm not really happy with players making that suggestion in their place. Not all B&Ms are the shining example of ethical business practices people think they are, just like online retailers, B&Ms have their own vices. Like, for example, eBay-ing off those B&M exclusives for a profit, much like how they do with the FFG OP Kits (or any companies OP Kit with a promo worth more than the cost of the kit). I'm thoroughly confused regarding how this is supposed to change my unfavourable views of b&m (or any) exclusives. |
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Post by Ganso on May 2, 2017 23:29:55 GMT
Not all B&Ms are the shining example of ethical business practices people think they are, just like online retailers, B&Ms have their own vices. Like, for example, eBay-ing off those B&M exclusives for a profit, much like how they do with the FFG OP Kits (or any companies OP Kit with a promo worth more than the cost of the kit). I'm thoroughly confused regarding how this is supposed to change my unfavourable views of b&m (or any) exclusives. It's not, and I didn't mean that it should. May have been a mistake to quote you, but I was just pointing out that thinking that B&Ms won't cash in any "exclusives" on eBay for a quick buck is naive. They will order the OP kit for 25 bucks, they will take out the sweet promo, and they will sell it on eBay for a 100% gain (and if you ask kind enough they may even sell you the participation card/pin/patch/whatever) |
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