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Post by zwergenkrieger on Nov 20, 2020 17:38:04 GMT
Hi all,
Got my Bethayne 2 this day and now I´m wondering what to add. Does anyone have any experience with her yet? Any ideas on army construction?
All advice is welcome.
HTG
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Post by chillychinaman on Nov 20, 2020 21:58:58 GMT
Well, she's definitely a beast caster, and her feat wants some solid anchors. Her Dissolve spell that applies -2ARM interestingly works with ranged weapons so I want to try her in Ravens with Striders or Raptors and sprays.
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Post by sorokin on Nov 21, 2020 10:01:28 GMT
Beth2 in primal terrors. Chosen and Warmongers are great transmute targets, as is golab. Hellmouths are a no brainer.
Add a blarchon and a blightbringer for maximum miserable meat.
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Post by zwergenkrieger on Nov 21, 2020 18:21:30 GMT
Beth2 in primal terrors. Chosen and Warmongers are great transmute targets, as is golab. Hellmouths are a no brainer. Add a blarchon and a blightbringer for maximum miserable meat. So you think some kind of meat mountain? Copied from the Trolls who can't do it any longer? The models you named are ace, I have to seriously think about it! |
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Post by zwergenkrieger on Nov 21, 2020 18:33:08 GMT
Well, she's definitely a beast caster, and her feat wants some solid anchors. Her Dissolve spell that applies -2ARM interestingly works with ranged weapons so I want to try her in Ravens with Striders or Raptors and sprays. Yes, that s something I noticed too. Striders look ace. And I'm thinking about a kind of ranged beasts list too. Though I'm out of the game for almost 2 years now and therefore I don't have any clue on what will work or not. Covid makes it even harder to get games in . Maybe I should start with the models I like the most and see what I can achieve then. ‐---------------------------- What do you all think about the Carnivean with her? Is it outdated or outshined by the flying character beasts? ----------------------------- Speaking about a second list: Thagrosh1/2 I'm really intrested in. EThagrosh is a good beast caster that shoulb be Raek's new best friend. Thagrosh1 should run all the flying beast Bethayne2 likes pretty strongly as well as Striders. What's your opinion here? |
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Post by sorokin on Nov 21, 2020 22:53:18 GMT
Beth2 in primal terrors. Chosen and Warmongers are great transmute targets, as is golab. Hellmouths are a no brainer. Add a blarchon and a blightbringer for maximum miserable meat. So you think some kind of meat mountain? Copied from the Trolls who can't do it any longer? The models you named are ace, I have to seriously think about it! I mean yeah, the more boxes and ARM you have the better her feat is. Transmutaion also has a million good targets in that theme. |
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Post by sorokin on Nov 21, 2020 22:58:55 GMT
Well, she's definitely a beast caster, and her feat wants some solid anchors. Her Dissolve spell that applies -2ARM interestingly works with ranged weapons so I want to try her in Ravens with Striders or Raptors and sprays. Yes, that s something I noticed too. Striders look ace. And I'm thinking about a kind of ranged beasts list too. Though I'm out of the game for almost 2 years now and therefore I don't have any clue on what will work or not. Covid makes it even harder to get games in . Maybe I should start with the models I like the most and see what I can achieve then. ‐---------------------------- What do you all think about the Carnivean with her? Is it outdated or outshined by the flying character beasts? ----------------------------- Speaking about a second list: Thagrosh1/2 I'm really intrested in. EThagrosh is a good beast caster that shoulb be Raek's new best friend. Thagrosh1 should run all the flying beast Bethayne2 likes pretty strongly as well as Striders. What's your opinion here? Honestly i would stay away from the ravagore chassis altogether except for Proteus. A scythean might see play here and there because the stuff on it's card is good. Then again i am not an expert either. If you want to have some more input, you might wanna join the LOS discord, we have an active Legion server there. Also for gun lines, nothing beats the new Beth1 i think. Blood thorn, hex blast and desintergation are amazing for that. Slap deceleration on an archangel and you have another strong ranged platform. |
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Post by chillychinaman on Nov 22, 2020 1:05:25 GMT
Honestly i would stay away from the ravagore chassis altogether except for Proteus. A scythean might see play here and there because the stuff on it's card is good. Then again i am not an expert either. If you want to have some more input, you might wanna join the LOS discord, we have an active Legion server there. Also for gun lines, nothing beats the new Beth1 i think. Blood thorn, hex blast and desintergation are amazing for that. Slap deceleration on an archangel and you have another strong ranged platform. I'd say at least one Carnivean is worth considering for Spiny Growth alone. It also takes Dissolve well for POW16 spray and POW20 bites. |
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Post by sorokin on Nov 22, 2020 10:58:09 GMT
Honestly i would stay away from the ravagore chassis altogether except for Proteus. A scythean might see play here and there because the stuff on it's card is good. Then again i am not an expert either. If you want to have some more input, you might wanna join the LOS discord, we have an active Legion server there. Also for gun lines, nothing beats the new Beth1 i think. Blood thorn, hex blast and desintergation are amazing for that. Slap deceleration on an archangel and you have another strong ranged platform. I'd say at least one Carnivean is worth considering for Spiny Growth alone. It also takes Dissolve well for POW16 spray and POW20 bites. It's still MAT 6 COST 17. I'd rather put dissolve somewhere that justifies its cost/has more attacks/both. I just simply dont think the Carni justifies its cost with what it brings to the table. Yes Spiny Growth is good, but how relevant is it in the age of blarchons and readily available +2 ARM? |
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Post by chillychinaman on Nov 22, 2020 19:01:26 GMT
sorokin Other than Typhon, who's locked to Oracles or Thagrosh, there isn't another beast that can put out 3+ attacks in addition to a SPR10. I can understand the argument that a unit based meat mountain would make a better list than an old fashioned beast brick, but you still have to spend your WBP on something, and I think a Carnivean would be a good pick compared to other heavies for it' versatility.
For reference, what would you fill her battlegroup out with?
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Post by sorokin on Nov 22, 2020 19:30:08 GMT
sorokin Other than Typhon, who's locked to Oracles or Thagrosh, there isn't another beast that can put out 3+ attacks in addition to a SPR10. I can understand the argument that a unit based meat mountain would make a better list than an old fashioned beast brick, but you still have to spend your WBP on something, and I think a Carnivean would be a good pick compared to other heavies for it' versatility.
For reference, what would you fill her battlegroup out with?
You are forgetting golab, whom you can take in two themes and who has 3 initials with finisher, no spray tho. And golab is the best warbeast in faction at the same point cost and has flight + SPD 7 which is very much relevant for beth2 as an arc node. Also on the note of beast that justify their cost more but dont have as many attacks: The Neraph or Angelius also take really well to damage buffs and are significantly cheaper than a carni. In primal terrors I'd always run BB + Golab. or give a blarchon golab and give her some harriers as mobile arc nodes. In a shooting based ravens list, probably golab + something. Probably an archangel which also lives withering death and will take a colossal straight of the table in no time. Now if beth had a buff to threat ranges or a MAT buff i'd definetly consider a carnivian with her, but she doesn't and for 17 points i'd rather have golab 100% of the time. I mean on the other hand, a beth2 gunline focussed ravens list is inevitably going to be more fun that competitive, so if you have had good experiences with a carni, go for it! Don't let me stop you. |
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Post by sorokin on Nov 23, 2020 0:36:00 GMT
conflictchamber.com/?ca201b_-2iqdkO2828282828cOqekKqcbebdfTfTb3b4Legion [Theme] Ravens of War !!! This army contains pre-release entries. [Bethayne 2] Bethayne, Pride of Everblight [+29] - Archangel [35] - Harrier [0(3)] - Harrier [0(3)] - Harrier [0(3)] - Harrier [0(3)] - Harrier [3] - Nephilim Bloodseer [8] Blight Archon [8] - Golab [17] - Mekanoshredder [4] Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [0(6)] Strider Deathstalker [4] Hellmouth [6] Hellmouth [6] Strider Scouts [9] - Strider Scout Officer & Musician [4] This is probably what i would run if my goal was to include striders in a beth2 list for the record. And the more i look at it the more i realise I'd rather run with with Beth1 in Children and just take archers instead because 22 arrows a turn are significantly better than 7. I could drop the bloodseer and something else probably and squeeze in a second unit. But they are so expensive for their body count/volume of fire. And this doesn't even address that fact that SWI is really bad with flesh web. dont take this as my trying to shatter your dreams btw. I am just trying to give this a honest go and theory craft this list. But yeah, i see the synergy with quality shooting and her arm debuffs and what not, but Ogrun exist and they take super well to these buffs too AND the play off of her feat. Maybe you can figure something out that surprises me.
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Post by chillychinaman on Nov 23, 2020 3:27:53 GMT
Huh, I forgot Golab was in Ravens, so that's pretty compelling. I also get that finisher makes Golab a flying Scythean, but in my experience it feels like I roll more below 3 more often than 4 or over.
I don't disagree that some flavor of Ogrun are most likely the best way to run her, Gorag or the Chief to fix accuracy. Archangel is also a good choice especially under feat to be the armies health sponge.
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