Legion of Steel Lists (A Loon's Delusions)

So, question: what purpose do the Great Bears serve? How do you expect to use them?

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Khador
[Theme] Legion of Steel

[Irusk 2] Supreme Kommandant Irusk [+27]
- Decimator [15]
- Destroyer [14]
- Greylord Adjunct [0(4)]
Iron Fang Kovnik [0(4)]
Kapitan Sofya Skirova [0(5)]
Morrowan Archon [8]
Uhlan Kovnik Markov [7]
Great Bears of the Gallowswood [9]
Iron Fang Pikemen (max) [15]
- Iron Fang Pikemen Officer & Standard [4]
Iron Fang Pikemen (max) [15]
- Iron Fang Pikemen Officer & Standard [4]
Order of Illumination Vigilants (max) [10]

Khador
[Theme] Legion of Steel

[Strakhov 2] Assault Kommander Strakhov [+22]
- Victor [34]
- Greylord Adjunct [0(4)]
Alexia, The Undying [5]
Iron Fang Kovnik [0(4)]
Kapitan Sofya Skirova [0(5)]
Iron Fang Pikemen (max) [15]
- Iron Fang Pikemen Officer & Standard [4]
Iron Fang Uhlans (max) [20]
Legion of Lost Souls (max) [18]


This is what I've come up with over the past couple of days weighing in and out, what LOS is missing and needs. List 1 having soul denial around the Archon is severely needed due to the amount of bodies in theme. The -2 to hit is also great if he stands behind the pikemen in combat. In addition, having an easy access to Blessed and magical weapons is nice with the Vigilants.

In reality, I feel this would work very much the same way if you swapped in Zerkova 1 and stacked another -2 to hit due to her cloud. However, other than that ghostly and her control style feat she kind of leaves the infantry to fend for themselves as far as damage output. There are some tricksy stuff to pull if the Tharamite Archon is there with her just like FITD, but these two lists are what I'm going to start sending through the crucible.

The second list with Strakov focuses a bit more on buffing stats other than the amount of dice on a attack, but last stand does in it's own way I suppose. Having the ARM buff to keep things around is nice, quicken is great for when you don't feel like getting shot off the board, and finally using pikemen 2.0 aka Legion of Lost Souls (the pikemen need to be evaluated against them if they ever update them especially the black dragons at their current cost pt.)

Both list either through last stand or battle lust, I'm basically fishing for knockdowns but that's kind of tough, as there are lot of anit-knockdown rules, feats, and spells out there.

P.S. For the second list I ignored the fact that I had, countercharge in most cases my opponent knows what the theme does, and about 25% I'm baited into losing my countercharge model anyways.

Hey Havock I understand it's trashy, the only glimmer of hope I think the theme had in MK III was when they still had advance move for a unit.

It maybe an effort in futility and maybe everyone on the forum has gone through this on some other discussion format 1000x times before but I haven't seen it talked through really in detail anywhere considering all the new models available(LOS Discord, here, Facbook Khador group). So here are my ravings of what might work and I'll try them and report back. My meta has just about every faction, so there is plenty of variety to try my hair brain schemes out on.

I'm just trying to at the minimum put out as much information out in the open about the theme, other than bad theme is bad or the models are limiting. I'm looking at it as a challenge to try and polish a turd with all the Merc. options that are available now.

TLDR: Theme has issues, I would like to see how it can be improved with all the new models. Thanks you for your input I'll put that in as a variation, do you think it would be better to replace the archon for the Hermit or something else?